Whatever Happened To British Porn?...

[pagangod_uk]

Hmmm, I noticed that so-called 'free porn' and escorting being cited as reasons for the drop-off in standards, if so, then let me ask this question - if thats the case, then why haven't the same issues impacted on European and US porn in a similar manner?

There is still a steady of stream of beautiful and dirty talent entering the industry in those territories all the time - so how can they still have an on-going wealth of performers, whilst our girls tend to be mostly lack-lustre and generic these days?

Sorry, I can't really buy free porn and escorting as stand-alone reasons for the demise of Brit porn - sounds like too much like cop-out excuses to be honest!

I have my theories as to what the actual reasons may be, but some of you might not like what I think...!

PG

[rexwantinsex]

I've got to say, I agree with what you said there Pagan, but I've also got to say that I'm not gonna hold back and at the risk of upsetting/angering some of the people here, I'll give you what I think (as a paying punter) is the problem from a customer perspective, not a producers angle:

The UK market seems to be lagging behind the larger American and European markets in many ways - people on here are saying that free porn is the problem, but I'm calling "bullshit" and I'll stand up and say that I totally agree with Pagan - if it's an issue, why is it visibly affecting just the UK market, and not the European and American markets also??

I look at the US "megasites" and major production companies like Bangbros, Reality Kings, Brazzers, Naughty America and then the European sites like DDF & 21Sextury which seem to have daily updates featuring either established stars or new models, and they somehow manage to get these girls to do a HELL of a show in every scene, yet the UK market seems to be saturated with amateur sites or have such irregular updates, it's pointless joining because as a person paying either ?30 or $30 for a month's membership, if the American/European site is offering me daily updates of new content, pretty much 365 days per year, I'll be inclined to sign up to one of those - I'm getting something new each day, whereas many UK sites apart from a handful seem to have a monthly update (or in some cases, even less than that!!)

Yes it's probably down to cost, but even from a visual perspective, the sites from many UK amateurs and some producers look shit in comparison to some of our own homegrown star's sites!

Michelle Thorne's site for example looks amazing, it shows that she's spent a bit of money on making it - it's got a polished look and feel, and it actually LOOKS like a site I want to join and spend money on. Many UK sites look amateuristic compared to this frankly (in one case of a producer's site, the fonts and design of their home page makes it look like a 6yr old designed it in MS Paint)

My view of business is, sometimes you have to spend money to make money - investment in your product goes a long way on the web, the visual look to a site is crucial because if it looks shit, why would a potential customer want to pay to join it, to feel like they're joining an amateur product??? As a paying punter, I'd like to see that my money actually WENT somewhere - yes I might be helping to pay for the site's bandwidth or costs for the shoots/scenes, but a decent web design is essential - it literally is your shop window, and if it looks shit, people will carry on walking by.

I'm not going to point fingers or name names here, but I think the problem is that the UK market has not invested in itself or has been stagnant for so long that it became complacent, and the internet has killed business as it once was, because complacency had set in to such an extent, people still believed that the only "porn fix" a punter could get was still a brown paper bag over the counter when no-one's looking

The internet has changed porn, it's made it so accessible that mobile phone networks have now blocked it from their web access, purely to prevent kids having access to porn on their iPhones - no-one needs DVD any more, so the market has changed to such an extent, the producers need to reinvent themselves for the 21st century.

Killergram is probably one of the only UK sites that I think I'd be inclined to invest a month's membership in, because from a punter angle, they offer DAILY updates to their site, and it looks like someone has spent more than a fiver on the web design! I know they're a larger company than some others, but come on guys - why are they making money?? Because people WANT to buy their product.

Finally, and this is purely personal preference - why is the UK market so saturated with granny porn or amateur sites??? Is it purely because they're cheaper than paying for established talent?

I see tons of "readers wives" style sites offering me a chance to join and see someone's gran getting filled till she's airtight! Sorry folks, but Angel Long is the kind of girl I WANT to see taking on 3 guys - not Mrs Jones, 74, from Lincoln!! Yes there may be a niche for watching a granny getting it, but Christ, is that niche so big and fruitful from a financial perspective that it's more worthwhile than paying Angel's rate to get her for some exclusive scenes on a UK site??? She's worked with American production companies, so clearly she's still in the market, for people willing to invest - so why are the UK companies not getting her???

I appreciate that I'm speaking about a personal preference here, but if UK producers are simply for the cheapest option every time, then surely that's a part of the problem, the paying customer's money is going follow what they want to see, and if the US/European markets are using the UK "stars" better than the UK market is, clearly the UK fan money will go outside the UK too.... by all means invest in the future of the industry and bring in new, decent stars, but Christ, invest a few quid in bringing people in by letting them see the people they want to see, on your sites, in order to help your own business as well

[Dave Wells]

They have dropped off considerably in L.A and Prague and Budapest. The difference between those places and here is that there is actually a porn business that's has a supply and demand. Here it is miniscule by comparrison !

[Dave Wells]

Same answer !

[one eyed jack]

Hmmm, I noticed that so-called 'free porn' and escorting being cited as reasons for the drop-off in standards, if so, then let me ask this question - if thats the case, then why haven't the same issues impacted on European and US porn in a similar manner?

I agree with this and if you listen to americans ithas hit many real hard. Just because you see daily updates doesnt mean its still boom time. itmeans they haveshot s much at atime when they had the money to stay ahead for the lean times like now

I totally understand your feelings about not compromising on quality but what you dont see is the sites that have gone to the wall and those producers packing up to leave town whose shoes are being filled by those who are playing it safe or as a nice little hobby to shag the girlies.

Its a sign of the times. You may want to watch porn but most blokes will prefer to spend their hard earned and book the girl for an up close and personal service than tug one out to a dvd or a website update.

Even the big companies aint paying what they used to and the girls have become accustomed to a certain standard of living so of ocurse they will prefer to go with work on tv, adultwork and anything else that pays as much and common sense dictates that if they are earning money doing that then why spend hours travelling to a porn set, sitting around to do a scene for the same amount they could make in an hour?

It is just the way it is right now and the basic produced stuff is more apparent for the same reasons already explained.

Its gonna get worse too because a lot of it has nothing to do with producing per se. Its mostly user generated by genuine amateurs not doing it to satisfy any creative need than have the world watch them just shag.

The market is really dictated by the consumers that drive it and if amateurs have taken it over then its going to reflect that in the market which seems to be the case.

I certainly dont think the americans or europeans have it better. It may look that way to the end user but certainly not what Im hearing from various players on both sides of the pond.

I think porn is still as great as it ever was. Theres more great stuff, new girls than there ever has been in the history of porn, more "producers", more competition, more everything that its just hard to see the good for being so much of it around.

I would go so far as to say the new wave of attacks on porn (the Bailey report, anti porn campaigners, debates,ATVOD, the EU Directive) is a quiet war to stem the tide of this overflow of porn spilling out everywhere..with the underlying motive of making as much money out of it while doing so

Porn is beginning to eat itself

[jimslip]

"I would have thought if a girl is bothered about people knowing that she has sex with people for money, then appearing in porn films is less of a stigma than "escorting".

I think thanks to the books that glamourise escorting, like "Belle de Jour" or even the classic film "Pretty Woman" the idea of becoming a "High class escort" is far more appealing to many girls, than being a "Porn star". Just because a relative finds a movie with you being banged by a bodybuilder wearing a bandana, isn't going to make them say, "Oh, that's OK, the guy is obviously a professional!"lol

I think a girl's mum on seeing her daughter turn up in a flash car, when she's a penniless student will probably think, "I wish I'd had the bottle to do what she's doing when I was her age!"

Our problem is the false image that many girls have of porn girls, ie the dreadful American pornstar look of big hair, massive tits, false everything and stick body. The idea of having to end up looking like this, is abhorrent to them.

It might have been "Cool" to look like this during the days of Baywatch, but not any more. I am sure there are hundreds of cute girls at Uni or wherever who are raking it in as escorts and they will never be found out and if they are, so what? Become a pornstar and you will be on the internet for ever and ever.

This problem IS starting to spread into Europe, for the first time I am hearing the dreaded words, "Oh she isn't available because she's has lots of escort work!". This in my opinion is the true death knell for British and Euro porn, the dwindling number of new girls.

[Ratters Pank]

jimslip wrote:

> "I would have thought if a girl is bothered about people
> knowing that she has sex with people for money, then appearing
> in porn films is less of a stigma than "escorting".
>
> I think thanks to the books that glamourise escorting, like
> "Belle de Jour" or even the classic film "Pretty Woman" the
> idea of becoming a "High class escort" is far more appealing to
> many girls, than being a "Porn star". Just because a relative
> finds a movie with you being banged by a bodybuilder wearing a
> bandana, isn't going to make them say, "Oh, that's OK, the guy
> is obviously a professional!"lol
>
> I think a girl's mum on seeing her daughter turn up in a
> flash car, when she's a penniless student will probably think,
> "I wish I'd had the bottle to do what she's doing when I was
> her age!"
>
> Our problem is the false image that many girls have of porn
> girls, ie the dreadful American pornstar look of big hair,
> massive tits, false everything and stick body. The idea of
> having to end up looking like this, is abhorrent to them.
>
> It might have been "Cool" to look like this during the days of
> Baywatch, but not any more. I am sure there are hundreds of
> cute girls at Uni or wherever who are raking it in as escorts
> and they will never be found out and if they are, so what?
> Become a pornstar and you will be on the internet for ever and
> ever.
>
> This problem IS starting to spread into Europe, for the first
> time I am hearing the dreaded words, "Oh she isn't available
> because she's has lots of escort work!". This in my opinion is
> the true death knell for British and Euro porn, the dwindling
> number of new girls.
>
>
I understand that Jim but what I was meaning was that, putting myself in the place of a young girl who is considering a career in porn, then I would sleep easier at night knowing that I had made money sleeping with someone who was also being paid to have sex, rather that some random guy in a seedy hotel room who is just shagging me to get his jollies.

The only reason I can imagine that a girl would prefer to go in to escorting is the embarrassment factor of people finding stuff on the internet. What I was trying to say in my last post though is that it is alright hiding things from other people, but you still need to live with yourself afterwards and sometimes that is the harder thing to do.

[one eyed jack]

Choice word "seedy" !happy! Reminds me of a story that happened to me on a Real Couples shoot

Reminds me of a couple who turned up to do a shoot so I booked a hotel because it was convenient for us to shoot and for them to stay in overnight and the woman muttered under her breath "this is so seedy"

That caught me aback

I explained it was a regular hotel room, but the fact she was being paid to have sex with her partner in it suddenly made a room being advertised nationally on tv "seedy"

I often wonder if sleaze and the seediness of doing porn or escorting is what makes the experience more of aturn on to begin with. Its the difference between a fuckasnd making love dont you think?

Sleaze rocks. Long live sleaze!

[Dave Wells]

"I understand that Jim but what I was meaning was that, putting myself in the place of a young girl who is considering a career in porn, then I would sleep easier at night knowing that I had made money sleeping with someone who was also being paid to have sex, rather that some random guy in a seedy hotel room who is just shagging me to get his jollies."

The biggest payer in porn is doing exactly that !

"he only reason I can imagine that a girl would prefer to go in to escorting is the embarrassment factor of people finding stuff on the internet. What I was trying to say in my last post though is that it is alright hiding things from other people, but you still need to live with yourself afterwards and sometimes that is the harder thing to do."

All compensated by the dosh my friend !

[Dave Wells]

I chatted to an old porn colleague of mine last night and he and I prefer the phrase " Porn has gone up it's own arse" or maybe shot it's bolt !!