What is it with all this slut stuff...

[andy ide]

I used to be very anti the whole slut name-calling thing. And the attitude behind it. I saw it very much as the director setting things up for his studs to function as a kind of proxy for the guy watching at home. They were avenging the impotence of the viewer. And I still believe that. It's a very solid way for a pornographer to make money. Nail in on a pretty uncontrollable weakness on the part of your customer and exploit the fuck out of it.

Then I saw a scene by Joey Silvera in which the girl really got off on being dominated hard and rough by three guys and it really turned me on. I've always got off watching a girl genuinely enjoy herself in a porn scene, that's my thing, so that was a key element to my enjoyment of it. By I was also turned on by her submission, by her strong desire to be trashed and used. And I figured, right or wrong, that Joey Silvera was the kind of guy who always tried to build a scene around the preferences of a girl in order to make the horniest porn, so that kind of helped to give it a green light for me as well.

And then I started getting into Rocco's stuff, loving the way women just fell in line to submit to him. But getting pissed off at how he'd squander this advantage and just put them through the positions and they'd either get bored or start to feel uncomfortable at either his complete disregard for their pleasure and comfort or his bland insistence for evermore acrobatic and mercantile positionings, or both.

Anyway, roughly around this time, I ended up lying in bed one night, trying to think up series ideas for TVX, and I came up with the title 'Bitch In A Box'. Brilliant! And well dodgy, I thought. But it was so good, so simple, so out-of-order, I figured what the hell. There was something comically OTT about it. (Say I, letting myself off the hook.) And so I went about putting it together, trying to suss out which girls would get off being in it so it would be good -- because I didn't want any shit faking, and I absolutely didn't want to put any girls into that role if they didn't want to be, that would be horrible -- and I shot it and I ended up capturing a lot of good sex.

After that I made a second series and then 'Bitch In A Boot'. It didn't take me long to work out that, on average, if you want to maximise the chances of shooting hot sex then you get a girl who likes being submissive to a strong guy who's a gentleman off-camera. Don't get me wrong, it's not always the case -- I've shot great stuff in which the girl prefers things to be equal. But then things often end up with the guy taking the upper hand, in a 'normal' way. That's just the nature of sex. The dick penetrates. The pussy receives.

What you get with a submissive 'dirty girl' is an amplification of Mother Nature's sexual passivity in women (matched to MN's aggression in men). For whatever reason, the desire to play a transgressive role, the psychological eroticism of it, and for some the physical restraint and pain that goes with it within a safe environment.

These women have worked out what they like. They're not searching around in the dark anymore. And they like a bit of drama, and to play their role in it. (So too, of course, lest we forget, do legions of men who pay good money to be treated like shit -- and babies -- by women.)

So if I've got one scene and only one scene to shoot I will always go for the girl who likes to play 'the slut'. Odds are it'll make for better real sex and a better scene. I like to see a girl grin and for her eyes to shine.

This coming from a guy who'd dearly love to shoot the same kind of incredible girl-on-girl stuff he did during three series of Planet Nadia because it was just so damned horny and magnificent. Who loves jerking off to to all that free Girlfriends Films stuff on the tube sites. And whose favourite scene he shot last year was with the incomparable (and scandalously under-employed) Tonya, who's as strong a woman as you'd ever hope to come across.

Going back to the title of the thread -- What is it with all this slut stuff -- I think it needs definition really. There's three kinds of 'slut stuff': the kind in which the girls are very happy to play the part (fine by me); the kind in which they're doing it for the money (not too good, I don't like to work with them in that context); and the use of that kind of vernacular to title things with. There's certainly been an increase in misogynist titles for movies and series and I don't think that's good. It seems to have kind of snowballed. And I think its negativity in my mind is to do with the adoption of such terminology just simply to make money, as opposed to being in tune with the sexuality of the women appearing in the movie or series itself. (Where it still serves happily to make money but at least is a bit more honestly representative of the 'drama' of the sex contained within.)

That said, I did a series last year called Recession Whores. The title made me uncomfortable. Literally, it was accurate to the fiction that it set up. The girls in it had become prostitutes because money was tight. A more 'comfortable' title would have been Recession Prostitutes. But that wouldn't have much of a porno twang to it, would it? No. So I just shrugged my shoulders and took the money. Lazy. Tosser.

(How ridiculously good is this? I'm sitting here a bit pissed, I've been listening to 'A Walk Across The Rooftops' by The Blue Nile on Spotify, unbeknowst to me the album finished and all of a sudden 'I'm Gonna Be (500 Miles)' by The Proclaimers starts playing. Glory!! Lottery, take note!)

Anyway, cut to the chase.

Nah, can't be bothered.

Except to say that your gall, jimslip, is fucking amazing, mate. What -- sluts not enough? You've got to dump them on the streets as well? Why don't you junk them up with smack while you're at it? Classic! I look forward to following the courage of your convictions (having read your vociferous comments on this post and another that you contributed to recently) and noting the change in your domain name. Or just say it to their face, mate. But it's alright -- we're all hypocritical wankers.

[andy ide]

Fuck. Did I write that? Bad chat with the taxman tomorrow, folks. Just putting things off.

[belfast_birty]

remember that slut is an anagram for......lust!

[one eyed jack]

Ravis wrote:

Funny how the majority of these crusaders are usually overweight & ugly isn't it?


You could say the same about politicians but yet they are instrumental in setting rules that govern your life.

With religious mid america, this woman has a lot of influence that could change things that could possibly work and change things here...and not for the best either. These people want censorship even though they dare not say the word. Gail even actually says "in an ideal world to totally get rid of it" but admits that to being impossible.

Kind of makes it irrelevant what she looks like and again, that wasn't the issue LOL

[derrick76]

So what's the issue? That someone doesn't approve of something? Opinions are like assholes; everybody's got one....in some cases more than one.

[derrick76]

I man slow. Please expound.

[Tonya]

Hi Andy!

I enjoyed working with you on Recession Whores, and yes a lady of my age may be a bit wary of it being titled a Whore (although the whore was a guy, the lovely Jamie Barry) it was tastefully done and becoming very popular

As a teaser, here's a trailer of TelevisionX 'Recession Whores' which includes 2 scenes that I'm in ;o) Enjoy !




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[thundercracker]

Well it is porn so im not sure how you can have it without sluts being involved?

[pbphotography]

The use of degrading terms must sell.

Otherwise it would die the death as people would not buy the fils etc.

However as in all walks of life it will affect different people in different ways.

Louise Jenson says that she does not like it yet I am sure there are others who don't mind.

Would the scenes etc sel as well if the terms were not used?