A list of girls that do Boy-Girl and are NOT...

[Kelly Steele]

Willie D wrote:

> "Not to slap anyone with the Los Angeles glove... but in the
> SanFranando valley alone it is estimated that between 50-100
> videos are made each day. No one would manufacture that many
> screw films if there wasn't a demand for the much product."
>
> Usually when some prefaces a statement with the, 'Not
> to...with..." line, that's exactly what you intend to do, and
> you're no different. BTW...it's "Fernando."
>
> Porn people are extremely prone to hyperbole when the talk
> skirts the "facts & figures." Usually it's money, but this one
> runs out every now and then.
>
> 1. 50-100 films made every year in SFV would be 50 * 52 =2600,
> or 100 * 52 = 5200. That's a big gap so go near the middle and
> say 3,500. Since the average studio put out an average of
> 25-30 films a year, you'd need to have upwards of 150 producers
> working around the clock, year round to make that quota.
> Example: 2005 Red Light District put out around 25 vids,
> Elegant Angel did around 30, these being two of the more
> productive gonzo stables in Porn Valley. Studios with contract
> whores put out even less (Vivid, Wicked, etc).
>
> 2. That would be a tremendous burden on the physical
> infrastructure of SFV, are there enough rented homes and
> abandoned warehouses in Northridge to shoot all that smut? 100
> vids a day means at least 300 or more whores, some having to do
> two scenes a day, not to mention at least 200 or so stunt cock,
> 100 makeup artists...agents running around putting out fires,
> pesky porn bloggers, the trade rag. I'm just not tasting your
> Kool-Aid here, babe.
>
> 3. Agreed, this doesn't take into account the little
> "boutique" studios like Astrux or NinnWorx which make only a
> few high-quality flesh vids, but it also ignores the many
> studios which have gone broke (JKP, Vertigo/American Hardcore,
> Extreme 1.0, Rain, Rob Spallone's biz, etc, etc).
>
> Here's
> an example of the same hyperbole heaped on Jenna Jameson
>
> I seems like you want to refer to your "Los Angeles days" as if
> you set Porn Valley on fire. Umm...your stint lasted 75 or so
> films, take out the ≈15 that were non-sex or g/g, see
> where I'm going?
>
> Just relax...it's only smut.
>
>


This is where the teeth come out. Still I'll try and be nice.

You're getting your film numbers from I.A.F.D which is pretty much just another board run by some horny porn fans. And it's always in error when it comes to me.

It does not include Internet work, magazine or my former stage names. (I've had 6 of them) Additionally it does it include my european work or the work I did in Hong Kong.

As for my stint in L.A.
Hyperbole my arse. I base those number on one thing... The numbers in my books. I run a succesful chop shop and business with the americans have been increasing.

But for the record, I do business with americans but I haven't been in the states in 3 years and I don't plan on returning any time soon. My references to Los Angeles are more based on the fact of that's where I learned my trade and this is the year I intend to make the american market a much bigger priority.

I was hoping that the lovely english speaking British community would become my vehicle for this goal. But in the end, expansion doesn't have to be a priority in my business. Right now I have to because I've got more than enough on my dinner plate now.

I can just let my husband buy another boat and sail back to Sicily. And once I leave this country my money will suddenly increase and I'll just intensify what I do now.

Kelly
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PS> Playing the "Spelling mistake cop" on a forum doesn't strengthen your arguments, it only makes you look weak. It becomes obvious to everyone, that you're grasping at any straw to apart somone's comments.

But for argument sake, yes it is "Fernando."

[Kelly Steele]

Willie D wrote:

> Ummm...no. Wrong.
>
> World Modeling
> Pretty Girl International
> L.A. Direct
> Redd Rose Productions
> Gold Star
> AMA Talent
> Foxx Modeling
> Fresh Talent Management
> Spiegler Girls
> I'm leaving at least 10 others out...Dick Nasty's agency, Tera
> Patrick has one...etc, etc.
>
> And yes, most agents are happy to drag you out of bed and get
> you ready for the set...you just have to pay for it. You ever
> tried driving north on the 405 the morning after a coke binge
> at Sardo's? Must be rough !wink!

Buddy,
World Modeling... Run by Jim south and was one of 2 licensed agents in the sate of california.
Reb's Pretty Girl Internation is the 2nd and since Reb retired. If it still it exists it's such a minor player no one is noticing it.

All the rest are NOT AGENTS! They are MANAGERS!


I can assure you that niether Reb nor Leonard of Pretty girl ever drag any girl out of bed to a set. In fact I'm not certain they get up before 11am.

And although I wouldn't doubt for 2 seconds that Jr. at world has most likely hauled a girl out of bed and taken her to set. However, I assure you he most likely was in the bed with her all night anyway. But Jim South sr. is not going around doing wake up calls.

As far as the drugs and Sardos comments. I have never been to Sardos and I have never done an illegal narcortic in my life. (And I've never abused perscription drugs either)

I know I shouldn't make assumptions but smell like a porn fan that get's his information from various websites.

Therefore allow me to re-state a previous comment.

But the fans of erotic entertainment just don't "FULLY KNOW" how our industry functions or what goes on in it and never will.

Porn is something you have to experience from within in order to have a clue. Until you have earned your living shagging in front of a camera, you will always be an outsider. You will never have a clue and always get the very important small details wrong about our daily lives. Once again, the perspectives that matter are from those that manufacture the product and screw.

[Joe A]

Kelly

Just re-reading some of the posts in this thread I noticed your comment about the small number of g/g sales compared to b/g in the States and... I remembered being told a couple of years ago that g/g work was at about 10% of b/g, so you made a vaild point. Recently I've been looking at the latest releases over there, and it seems that g/g seems to be making a revival as there have been quite a few even though still not anywhere near the amount of b/g etc.

Out of interest as you've spent time in mainland Europe, what is the % of g/g to b/g. Also is there much interest or need for soft, as there are no restrictions as in the UK ?

I'm now thinking that consumers in the UK may have a totally different taste in porn to anywhere else in the world. Maybe I should run a poll to see what is the most popular with BGAFD forumites. g/g, b/g, b/b/g, g/g/b etc. Let's start with a list of nominations by category and go from there

[Kelly Steele]

Joe A wrote:

> Kelly
>
> Just re-reading some of the posts in this thread I noticed your
> comment about the small number of g/g sales compared to b/g in
> the States and... I remembered being told a couple of years ago
> that g/g work was at about 10% of b/g, so you made a vaild
> point. Recently I've been looking at the latest releases over
> there, and it seems that g/g seems to be making a revival as
> there have been quite a few even though still not anywhere near
> the amount of b/g etc.
>
> Out of interest as you've spent time in mainland Europe, what
> is the % of g/g to b/g. Also is there much interest or need for
> soft, as there are no restrictions as in the UK ?
>
> I'm now thinking that consumers in the UK may have a totally
> different taste in porn to anywhere else in the world. Maybe I
> should run a poll to see what is the most popular with BGAFD
> forumites. g/g, b/g, b/b/g, g/g/b etc. Let's start with a list
> of nominations by category and go from there
>
>

This is what I have noticed and you can accept my commentary with a grain of salt.

In small porn producing communities girl-girl tends to be over-shot because most female talent is readily willing to accept doing it.
(Instead of doing boy-girl work... Because doing that some how makes them a slut or whore or unfaithful to their boyfriends.)

But my sales numbers show that it is more or less identical to the numbers of the United States. Boy-girl surpasses and outsells girl-girl stuff by a large and substantial margin.

Nothing cultural about it. It comes down to the fact that there is NOT a lot of talent available. And producers are being overly indulgent to the female talent and filming what they can get. Basically allowing them to make a living off of minimal effort. That is girl-girl/lesbian sex.

For me the profit to work ratio sucks. So I tend to not waste my time with it. Furthermore if a perfomer tells me she only does girl-girl, I won't even book her in a lesbian scene. I give it to the girl that is willing to bust her arse to be serious porn talent. There aren't that many producers either, so why should a girl who is willing to go the extra mile, be passed over for eyecandy, that is only half hearted about being a sex performer.

Sure, you can have your restrictions and work at your comfort levels. But my opinion is that you are either in this industry or out of it. I don't have the time or the energy to waste on someone that isn't willing to do what everything that it takes.

[Kelly Steele]

Joe A wrote:

> Kelly
>
>
> Out of interest as you've spent time in mainland Europe, what
> is the % of g/g to b/g. Also is there much interest or need for
> soft, as there are no restrictions as in the UK ?
>
> I'm now thinking that consumers in the UK may have a totally
> different taste in porn to anywhere else in the world. Maybe I
> should run a poll to see what is the most popular with BGAFD
> forumites. g/g, b/g, b/b/g, g/g/b etc. Let's start with a list
> of nominations by category and go from there
>
>

I'm doing this in 2 posts to make it easier.

As for softcore...
I've never seen it done like it is here. There are fetish markets and art films but not really what is being done in this country

Most of the world films 1 boy-girl hardcore shoot. From that we get our softcore and everything else we need. We just edit and cut it in different ways.

For example, me:

When I'm not running the chop shop. (Ie dumping footage on companies) I do this.

I film a boy-girl hardcore scene. From it I make several edited versions.

1) My hardcore DVD release.
2) My playboy cable deal
3) My hospitality deal. *Hotel pay per view* (Not softcore but not hardcore either)
4) Stills and various clips go to magazines, internet content, etc.

Then when that is over I wait 18 months and re-release my footage again in a compilation with a different name and make-believe director credited. Once again chopped differently with new intro, headers, etc.

[planeterotica]

The main reason there is a softcore market in the UK is because of our draconian laws on the distribution and broadcasting of porn and this has been discussed many times on these forums, i doubt if there are many producers who now shoot just b/g soft because if you are going to take the time money and effort in setting up a shoot you need to get as much material from it as possible and as we all know with camera angles and a bit of clever editing you can get soft and hard from the same shoot, and Kelly the method you use in selling your material is no different thany other producers and maybe you just happen to have made more connections globaly than a lot of the UK producers have to trade your material, if so post a few of your connections email addresses on here and we will all jump on your bandwagon, you talk a lot of sense but most of it is stuff we already know now just admit that the world is saturated with porn!love!

[Kelly Steele]

planeterotica wrote:

> The main reason there is a softcore market in the UK is because
> of our draconian laws on the distribution and broadcasting of
> porn and this has been discussed many times on these forums, i
> doubt if there are many producers who now shoot just b/g soft
> because if you are going to take the time money and effort in
> setting up a shoot you need to get as much material from it as
> possible and as we all know with camera angles and a bit of
> clever editing you can get soft and hard from the same shoot,
> and Kelly the method you use in selling your material is no
> different thany other producers and maybe you just happen to
> have made more connections globaly than a lot of the UK
> producers have to trade your material, if so post a few of your
> connections email addresses on here and we will all jump on
> your bandwagon, you talk a lot of sense but most of it is stuff
> we already know now just admit that the world is saturated with
> porn!love!
>
>
>
>

Yes I admit I'm set up globally. I went from being infront of the camera and left the north american jizz biz insanity 3 years ago. Since then I've traveled and filmed all over. Therefore I'm in areas many others are not.

But it didn't happen over night and many of these contacts had to be built up. There are trust issues, cultural issues and you have to produce a consistant product. (IE: They have to know what they are going to get ahead of time.)

On that note, I have a simple business philosophy. I get something in exchange for something. Give me someting of a certain value and I will give you something of equal value in return. I use this philosophy regardless if I am dealing with distribution or talent. It doesn't matter to me, everyone is looking for a win-win situation. Otherwise what's the point of doing business together.

So if someone want's my contacts....
What am I being offered in return?

[EMPREX]

See the problem here is Kelly has moved to thses shores and expects everything here to run like in the US or wherver she is from

Instead of embracing what we have here and trying to fit in very very quickly not only has she made herself a laughing stock she has made most UK talent,Producers,Webmasters and such think twice about even talking to her let alone work with her.

I am still in awe that she has the gaul to even post on here when clearly she has no liking for this forum or the people who post here.

As for girls who only do soft core they wouldnt do it if there wasnt a market ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT!! some models dont want to jump in feet first and get opened up the way you have in your glittering career. Take Frankie Babe as a case in point!! this girl has never done boy/girl and does she fucking need to??? i have seen her in magazines from FHM to Mayfair and if she is making a good living out of it then why get herself fucked on cam just for the likes of Miss Steele.

I cant for the life of me understand what your even doing in the UK if you are finding it so hard to shoot the kind of stuff you want and as for your comment about no industry here just because you dont know who is making what dont assume that there is no money being made here on the web,phone downloads and such. Your talk about how much you make on your dvd projects is totally laughable cos to my knowledge your not a distributor but a producer therefore you sell your content on lock stock and barrel making no more than ?4000 per dvd and that to me is laughable.

To end my diatribe i wish Kelly well but as said by an old wise man 'Dont bite the hand that feeds you' and by that i mean the models on this forum and what they do or dont do.

Personally i suggest you book a one way ticket back...ohhh and please post more about me on your pathetic attempt at a website i love reading it you have oodles of time to write havent you!!!! even though your so busy lmao

EMPEROR