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[jimslip]

Hi

Yes I agree that the reality off camera, is that women are empowered, by virtue of the fact that without them we have nothing!

I suppose my gripe is the constant depiction of women as being controlled by men, ranging from the guy in limo with camcorder whom every girl he stops happily jumps in and shags him, when of course she'd actually scream and call for help! To the swaggering Hungarian studs, decked out in sportwear and shades who stride up to lone girl on beach, "You fuck us yes?" and of course she agrees and DP's the lot of them.

My fantasy is ME lying on a beach, with my knotted handerchief and vanilla cone and a bikini clad babe (Maybe with thigh length boots on.............ok I know they'd get stuck in the sand!) comes up to me and wantonly shags me, anyway that's how I'd film it. But aah, thats the luxury of directing and starring in your own films, you can depict your own fantasies..........bliss!

I just remembered a typical case of veiled women hatred. A guy called "Captain Stabbins", yeah I know an American arse hole, picks up girls takes them to his boat, fucks them senseless and then what (to me) is really wierd throws them overboard afterwards.

If it was me I'd want to treat them to slap up seafood dinner with champagne and fuck them again afterwards and them maybe get their tel numbers and invite them back again for more!

But of course I'm a real wierdo!

[Darkow Hotmale]

Re: Jim Slip's well thought out contribution to this thread (which may just be going on too long).

The Producer/Director who puts out stuff like this may in fact be misogynistic, but he/she could also just be catering for an obvious demand out there. I can't agree that the typical punter who enjoys this MUST therefore be a misogynist. There is room for just about every kind of porn, as long as we stay clear of kiddie porn, bestiality and snuff shit. Even scat has its adherents, repulsive as many may find it.

Look, think of Aga Uncovered. Hard core lezdom. Alicia getting every object shoved up her as co-stars rain abuses and spit on her etc etc. So who's the misogynist here? The stars? The producer/director? The punter? Sure, there are those who get their jollies from this, but I will always argue that the thrill is the fantasy, the build up to a self-gratified conclusion to a furious wank. When it's all over, that same punter could well be found helping an old lady off the bus, and I dare say, if the opportunity presents itself, would/could be ready to fight off a bunch of thugs trying to assault a defenceless lass Saturday night in a dark alley behind the local.

Misogynism is a dangerous word to use to describe the gagging, spitting, "choking" type of porn. My dear Mr Slip, one of the reasons I'm gaga over Lara Latex and much of your UK Street Sluts output is Lara's frequent abusive chastisement of the actresses. "Go on Natalie, spread that fucking pussy, let's see it, you slut! Suck that cock, bitch!" Or words to that effect. Fantasy. Close to the edge, but fantasy all the same. Not as "extreme" as gagging and spitting, but catering to the same temporarily intense fantasy.

No way porn will die out because of this trend towards the "abusive". One thing I agree is that there is a lot of contrived and excessively abusive shit turning up in the US. But, hey, most of us agree that US porn is not porn for the sake of porn, it's hard, organized crime-financed ouput to launder money and cater to the genuinely extreme proclivities of the Max Hardcores and Tuson Khans etc. And, don't forget that a sick "minority" in a country as huge as the US, is probably more than the whole porn consumer total in the UK!

I'm beginning to ramble. I'm just worried about that word "misogynism". Believe me, I genuinely love, truly love women. I respect and understand and admire adult film actresses. But, let me confess, I'd get off big time to see Lara being anally plowed vigourously by a 12 inch endowed stud screaming at her to take every inch blah blah blah. And I'd still refer to her as "Hi, Ms Latex" should we ever meet (in my dreams!)

(If, as I suspect many do, you don't agree with my viewpoints, please no personal "abuse"!)

Enough, already.

(And I do really like your work, Mr Slip. See my posts passim!)

[Darkow Hotmale]

Oh, dear me, couldn't resist a FINAL fling on this one.

Captain Stabbin' is just another typical inferiority complex-ridden idiot who caters to that "substantial" minority of punters who like to see women "put in their place" after a wholly unsatisfactory shag (from the woman's point of view). I steer clear of his shit.

I NEVER click on a Max Hardcore link. But that's MY choice. There's tons more stuff that suits my fantasy-driven tastes.

Can't stand Vivid girls and overtly glamourous stuff (sorry, Deuce!), but no one forces me to look at that kinda shit.

I love cellulite-scarred, chubby "mature" dames, hate "teenie" hard bodied blonde California stuff. So I steer clear of it.

I get off on Aga Uncovered material, find Andrew Blake "art porno" boring as hell.

Wendy Taylor taking a mouthful of urine from Layla J rocks my boat. Jo Guest's "tease" stuff: leaves me cold.

Loved Mark Davis and Destiny Deville in Sex and Submission, but avoid "seduce me with champagne and lobster" porn (can't afford it, unlike wealthy producers like Mr Slip!!)

I dare anyone to now say on the basis of all this, I'm a misogynist.

Where I TOTALLY agree with Deuce: to each his/her own. Avoid what you don't like and avoid judging on the basis of your preference.

THAT'S IT FOREVER ON THIS ONE!!

[jimslip]

As it happens I too would like to see Lara getting fucked as you described!!

[jimslip]

Who said "Lobster"? I was more thinking of seafood, ie a pot of cockles and a toothpick, with maybe a glass of Tesco's Finest Cava to wash it down with.
Just needed to put the record straight on this important matter! By the way I'm glad you like my stuff.

[jamesr]

Good thread chaps. I fully expected to see a wave of abuse hurled at Charmer along the lines of "Get real/Grow up/Welcome to the 21st Century".

I too have a concern about the apparent fashion of depraved sex being THE mainstream type of porn these days. I do often find myself being a hypocrite though.

The sight of women, however beautiful, carrying out & undergoing extreme/depraved acts is ultimately disrespectful & wrong HOWEVER if the world of pornagraphy is a medium purely for fantasy & unreality then the current genre is entirely acceptable. My concern is where we are headed.

I'm aware that American producers are asking top stars (from the US & UK) to do triple penetration (as in three in one hole) & to not bother turning up if the actress is not keen. How ridiculous is that? Does the market want that or is it more of a case that the film-maker wants to boost his own ego by going beyond physical, tasteful & humane limits?

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So here's my hypocritical example:
Tomorrow, I am very fortunate to be shooting a well-known British pornstar. She's renowned for her 'extreme' work & despite her immeasurable beauty, I find myself planning to shoot her out-doing herself 'as it were'. In my opinion, the contrast of beauty being bad, is where fantasy peaks. I just hope mainstream never gets harder than it already is.

[Charmer]

Seen as I started this thread, I may as well put it to sleep.

Its is apparent by the number of postings that there are a number of genre's of porn that are aimed at the whole cross section of 'porn watchers' - some of which I can willingly embrace and watch with my women, both enjoy, get aroused, make love etc etc and some that my women would turn off after the first 60 seconds because of the PERCIEVED degrading nature.

What is also apparent is that we all have a choice - to watch or not to watch.

Me, I think I will stick to the more 'roses and chocolate' porn - i.e. fit bird, well thought out clothing & underwear, fit bloke, normal sex scenes, which actually look like both participants are enjoying.

Call me old school, but Agent Provateur & Fig Leaf over foul mouth cock spitters any day!

[Officer Dibble]

"Call me old school, but Agent Provateur & Fig Leaf over foul mouth cock spitters any day!"

Hear, Hear.

Officer Dibble


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[Charmer]

LOL...nice one Dibble!

[myson]

Can I join you and your ladies for dinner Jim?

Call me old fashioned if you like (and you probably will) but I like to see women being treated as ladies and in porn that means, to me, the woman BEING pleasured and not just there for the males pleasure and enjoyment.

But I agree, that's just my personal taste, others have theirs and nobody's right or wrong. It's all "horses for courses" really.

So Jim, when am I coming and should I be hiring a tux? hehehehe

Myson