The BBFC

[Zorro]

"so who decides what we can watch then, Skeeter & Max, I hope not " at this moment in time nobody decides what we can watch. The law states non R18 movies are legal to own for your own personal use, so people can get non R18 stuff anyway. However certain acts are illegal and should you be found with these tapes them you should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. There is a big difference between illegal tapes and non R18 tapes, and I think it is very important people understand the difference.

"why do you think Sony and Warner etc have regioned DVD's. Why should we be any different from the main stream film industry." There is regional coding all around the world, however multi region players are becoming far cheaper and more widely available (totally legal) as a result consumers are buying CD's and DVD from the states because it is cheaper. There is no difference between us and the mainstream.

"And as for Piracy well if there was no law everyone would just pirate I am not saying there should be no laws, piracy is illegal and should stay illegal, however it should be targeted more, with greater punishments.

"And if this system you think is great is so good how come blissbox who don't need to pay BBFC charges ?5 more than tottyshop who 18R their stuff." The reason is clearly stated on your site "Buy direct, .... from the Producers" Retailers will very rarely be able to sell at the same price as the Producers, however we do have a much bigger reach than you, so by selling to us at a good price we can then sell on at a competitive price and increase the branding of your products increasing your sales, on current productions and future releases.

[Phil mCc]

In your parts,
1. The obsene publictions act used by the police could procecute you if the DVD has any content not allowed by BBFC, That was your argument >These will include the few seconds that have been removed, and they are perfectly legal to own for your own personal pleasure.< This is a big fid you could be prosecuted and could be put on the sex offenders register in some circumstances.
2. Multi Region DVD yet again you are demonstrating how to get round the wishess of the distributers and the producers. Why do you think they region DVD's to help the sales of DVD machines.
3. How could you procecute a pirate if he is pirating ilegal DVD's. would you go to court against him and say I made this movie and I am selling it in the UK ilegally (without certification). I comes under the "you can sue your get-a-way driver for not waiting outside the bank for you as you rob it.
4. so you don't think paying less than a fiver and in some less than 3 quid and selling at 20/25 quid a nice little mark up. Excluding private etc who charge more. Tell me what a good price is and place an order.

I think you are drawing all the wrong attention to your operation and the punters are learning loads from you. "When in ditch stop digging".

Phil McC

[Zorro]

Phil, we seem to be going around in circles, and not getting anywhere, I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

has one goal and one goal alone and that is to bring quality porn (legal) to the customers and offer a great service, whether it be during the ordering, during the delivery or in the event something goes wrong.

Send me your list of titles and prices and lets do business. At the end of the day that is what it is all about.

[Phil mCc]

I don't thinlk I am going round in circles neither do the punters or other formies (is that the word guys) coz they are mailing me. I am strait ahead....

>one goal and one goal alone and that is to bring quality porn (legal) to the customers< making money would be a more honest answer as a goal, your opperational method does matter to the customer but please don't insult his intelegence because he wanks.
LEGAL....don't mislead again if any of the content in these unlicensed DVD's is unlawful under the Obscene publications act, which some of it is, then the punter could get prosecuted for having it. Thats the law however unlikely you may think that is. I have spent many a night in Jail listening to aguments like this and I have a mate who lost his house over the same arguments, I am sure Bob would have liked to have you tell the judge at his trial its "all a grey area".... that make it legal,

You have some of my titles on there,

Like I said stop digging is the answer

Phil McC

[joe king]

who is misleading?

you said 'don't mislead again if any of the content in these unlicensed DVD's is unlawful under the Obscene publications act, which some of it is, then the punter could get prosecuted for having it'

how do you know it is 'obscene'? that's for a jury to decide.

The only porn a punter can get done for is child-porn and animal cruelty (I think).
blissbox sell the evil angel versions of Fashionistas (cut for R18) which itself has a longer version on the Shiva label. Both of which a punter will not get done for (I think).

[Paul Tavener]

Well said Richard. The best way to ensure that hardcore stays with us is to make it more widely available. All the time its a specialist item from limitted outlets it will be vunerable to the pedlers of morality. Most of joe public is probably unaware that there is even such a thing as R18.

If it were available via UK satellite more people would see it and in time it might become more tolerated (like top shelf magazines). The danger should deminish with time, but it will never go away.

[rgb]

I usually agree with Phil mCc's view of things and bow to his knowledge in these things, but my understanding is that because the BBFC doesn't allow it, that doesn't mean it's obscene. Surely Joe King is right. What is obscene is decided by a jury and that changes according to public opinion as time passes.

[DavidS]

The points are well made. We must not forget that R18's have come into existence as a result of a Judicial Review. There has been no change in statute law. It would seem unlikely that this or a future government will bring in legislation to make R18 material unlawful because of the vast amounts that have been passed, together with the fact that there is no evidence that there release has done any harm. The truth of the matter is that most people are unaware that they exist. They are only of interest to those who wish to watch them and extreme moralist who wish to ban them. However we cannot be complacent, whatever the rights and wrongs of the hunting debate, there is little doubt that the government has only tried to ban it because they believe it would be popular with their own supporters. There is much better legislation that could have been brought in if the desire had been to improve animal welfare. In other words a future government might be prepared to tighten up once again on censorship, if they thought it would gain votes or, as is the case with the hunting bill, make them more popular with troublesome backbenchers.

[Phil mCc]

Thats if you can get to a jury Joe. You can't under the Video recordings act, And no question about the Procecution bit, I don't imply that any video that does not have a 18R is obscene simply if it contains certain materials which the CPS consider obscene you could get procecuted. Eg would be some of the Mayhem stuff, I even got a video sent back in the last month with a record "after viewing 15seconds the BBFC refused to view the rest" (so they said). I have the documents on my desk.
I feel the more extreme stuff if it went in front of a jury you would get a guilty verdict, come on now how many ordinary couples will admit to gaging their partner till she spew's into her mates pussy so you can get her other mate to drink it....The point is a few of the producers need censorship if not the BBFC then who....As for broadcasting it I have no problem with that again if it has a 18R for example why not, but the thought of broadcasting anything you like it crazy.....the reason I make sense is because I understand the punter and I am one. I just want a bit of porn nothing to complex or violent just some nice model or housewife getting stuffed and enjoying it.
Keep it simple and it works for me.

Phil McC

[Pussy_eater]

You need to know where to look mate!