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what as everybody got against rocco personaly i am fed up of the standard 2/3 guy 1 girl scene hes just taking the porn game to another level and i am a big fan and cant wait to get my hands on pervesions in paris

Nothing against Rocco whatsoever, he's made some fantastic porn, (the best with Buttman in my opinion), check out also The ass collector, a seriously underated porno, but it's when a woman's not enjoying it, it does nothing for me, if I wanted to see women being slapped I'd go to Romford town centre on a Friday night, bitch fights a plenty, when a films touted as a new release, and half the fucking film aint even in Paris, Hannah Coleman isnt even mentioned in the credits, and you can clearly see the fag burns on Kellys tits in this film, when asked what they are she says"Ive been a naughty girl" , if this is the next level, then I'll stay firmly on the ground floor,

A womans sexuality can be a wonder to be behold, then on the other hand, can be a very frightening thing- I guess it depends if most men are man enough to deal with it.

I've met Kelly Stafford and found her to be a pleasant and friendly person...then was advised not to work with her. She only works with Rocco by the way as Rocco is the only man that rocks her world> I've heard another young lady (who is not so young now) say the only reason why she did porn at the time was so that she could work with Rocco. Once she did, she was no longer interested in working in the porn biz because as she saw it: She's been there and done that with the best of them all. Of course, this is her opinion but there you have it. A good testament to the man. Hearing it straight from several ladies, Rocco has left an indelible impression on tells you he must be doing something right.

I've seen a few Rocco movies myself and think the guy deserves all the praise levelled at him. What people tend to forget is Rocco is bringing something psychological to his performances that is compounded by the male aggression some mistake for mysogynistic brutality.

Don't quote me on this but I suspect Ms Staffords cigarette burns on the boobies were to do with some psychological power game she was playing at the time more than out and out abuse.

I felt the need to defend Mr Siffredi on this occasion because I hear similar things levelled at producers and performers in the industry so I'm only 'educating' for lack of a better word those that don't know the real deal.

Rocco may have upped the ante on porn spectacle but it doesn't mean we all have to go that way.

Whatever the 'artistic' or erotic merits of Rocco's exploration of the darker regions of his and others' sexulaity, the fact remains that many viewers find the end result comes over as misogynistic, excessively violent or disrespectful to women, or just plain unpleasant.
And since the medium is largely impressionistic.........
There is also a valid criticism in this case of the ethics of his use of older material (I assume validated by a signed release, and therefore I assume legally unchallengeable by her) that Ms Coleman would prefer had never seen the light of day, given that she took a hike mid-filming, in protest at her treatment.
For me, Rocco's work is a bit of a curate's egg: the bad parts are more than a bit addled, though.

define the difference re: 'male aggression some mistake for mysogynistic brutality'

"Male Agression" covers a multitude of sins.
Violence towards women, I find totally abhorent. So a guy has bigger muscles, so what. That some women actually enjoy this, I find to be yet another mystery of the female personna. That some guys get off by watching it sems to be a frustration on their part that they cannot do the same.
I'm not suggesting that females should all be the "Little woman", God forbid. I was married to a Paddy for seven years!
But then I'm a peacenic - Make love not war- Be it domestic or global.
I have seen much violence in my life and the end result is that I never want to see more, much less be part of it.
Having said that, I am quite prepared to inflict serious damage on anyone who SERIOUSLY threatens my funny, peaceful little world.
SEX, BOOZE & ROCK 'n ROLL-------------Join the PPP.

I understand exactly what OEJ means and where he's coming from by "male aggression some mistake for misogynistic brutality'" but by getting wrapped up in the psychology and sociology of sex and possibly reading more into it than there actually is, or is relevant, I fear we may start to overlook the simple pleasures of a shag.

Think of the two pretentious art critics at the National Gallery, stroking their chins as they stand before a kaleidoscopic bomb burst of wiggles and vivid splodges on a canvas.

"Yes Tarquin, one feels humbled to be standing before such a profound, post colonial, neo-classical work that so vividly reflects our existentialist angst and at once forces us to confront the metaphysical world and the abstract absurdity of our own existence."

"Indeed Charlotte. This is obviously I hugely significant work by one of the great contempory masters exhibiting the most breathtaking depth of emotion and intellectual integrity I have ever been privileged to gaze upon. I?m almost moved to tears? Just have a gander down there at the signature to and see if it's a Hurst, Bacon or Emin will you??

"Er, no Tarquin. Apparently it's 'a Darren,' aged 6.5, Class 2B.?


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Some of Roccos scenes can be very intense and sexually exciting to watch I agree.

But there are a few where the girls look absolutely shit scared. You see them flinch when he touches them.

I guess it really all depends on the sexual nature of the girl Rocco is working with. Some can get into his type of sex while others find it a frightening experience. The former makes a good scene. The latter is unpleasant viewing.

Re: My comments about male aggression being mistaken for mysogynistic brutality.

Let me explain. You probably know that I shoot videos. I've shot a fair few in my time and my opinion is gleaned from my many experiences. To recount one incident filming a couple. My personal opinion of filming this incident was that it was bordering on rape. It was very aggressive, with him calling her names and holding her around her neck. I held out a bit respecting they are a married couple who have invited me into their home to bear witness to their sexual intimacy. His wife in turn responded equally as aggressive if not submissive to his actions. In the end, they kissed passionately and we all went out to dinner and he treated her like a total gentleman. They just like their sex on a very aggrerssive level. This is what I mean when I say from time to time that good sex is not necessarily pleasant to watch.

With my comments made earlier, this was purely from speaking to girls like Laura Turner and Georgette Neale to name two if I must name drop. A couple of European girls passed off working with Rocco as saying it was hard work but he knew what he wanted and they were there to work and didn't mind.

I admit, some of Roccos work makes me feel uncomfortable but then that's me and I don't subscribe to this style of making movies, purely because it's not me. I like all manner of sexual rudeness and kinkiness as much as the next man but I will never demand it through psycho sexual menaces- it's not my style. If the next man does it and the woman loves him for it and tells me when I ask her that she loves him for it, I will have to take that persons opinion and accept it- since they were the ones who experienced it first hand.

The word agression is not necessarily applied to mean abusive. Hard fucking can be construed as mysoginistic and then it can be interpreted as passionate. I study Roccos movies because I am more interested in the psychology of whether the girls are really enjoying it and if she is, why? And if she is not? Again why? I personally don't get turned on sexually to the point of wanting to masturbate when I see something that makes me ask all these questions in my mind. I liken it to watching the spectacle of a car crash. You know it's damn awful, but you can't turn away. Sorry to be so long winded in my answer, but I used the term earlier to cut down this kind of extensive explanation. I can see how you might have taken offence and I apologise for offending your sensibilities if I have.

In short, if we all made porno films with the same kind of girls, it wouldn't hold much interest for everyone. The fact that people like Rocco movies indicates that a lot of people want to see sheer spectacle which he provides...probably in the same way they like to watching high speed formula 1 racing, boxing and other such spectacles.

I have to say that I share the opinion of OEJ... I don't believe for a minute that the performers in Rocco's movies are being forced into something they don't want to do...sign up to a Rocco movie or even watch a Rocco movie - you know PRECISELY what you're letting yourself in for...

I've been on and off the swinging scene in the last few years - and one girl I met through it was unvelievably submissive... I actually felt rather uncomfortable playing some of the games she wanted to play - it wasn't altogether "me"... And I think that's what you're getting with a Rocco movie - the dom/sub sex scenario... the guy is an expert at it; and let us not forget - there are genuinely girls out there that want to be treated that way...

As I said - watch a Rocco movie or don't, you know pretty much what you're going to be getting - the choice is yours... same goes for the performers.