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Anal ....Why?
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2003 8:28 am
by clive
What is it with anal? Im certainly not shy in my sex life, but doing it hardly appeals and watching it is a bore
itseems to be a bit of a european obsession too and its debateable how many performers really like it
And why is so much material coming out borders on the brutal?
Why is there less of the sensuous side concentrating on fantasies that we genuinely had or experienced? For my money, a great threesome can be wonderful to watch, when you know its working fro the performers
Its horses for courses of course, but so much stuff is unimaginative and unlikely to get beyond teenage billy-no-mates
For my money...there is a anotehr market out there...as yet untapped
opinions????
Re: Anal ....Why?
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2003 8:54 am
by magoo
Yes anal can be tedious. I am not against anal but I prefer to see vaginal. The fact that anal seems mandatory is the problem. Theres far too much of each seen devoted to bum-burglary. Ben Dover reckons he cant sell his stuff in america without anal included. So I guess its an american obsession rather than a euro one but because the USA is the biggest market euro producers emphasise anal to capture the US market. I think theres probably many a great girl been ignored by Uncle Ben and other producers simply because she doesnt do anal. So we all lose out because we dont get to see the girls who dont do botty sex.
Correction
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2003 8:56 am
by magoo
In my post above "seen" should read "scene". Think I am losing my marbles.
Re: Correction
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2003 10:31 am
by clive
Good point...
I think the yanks expect anal from the europeans and tahts why. A lot of the better us films hardly have it at all. Interestingly Ben said what we said...doesnt see what people see in it
Re: Anal ....Why?
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2003 10:38 am
by David @ Mayfair & Me
Because it's still a taboo amongst a lot of couples, and because they can!
Re: Anal ....Why?
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2003 11:57 am
by mex
I think Mr Dover is taking you lads right round the corner with his claim that he only does anal to sell copies in the US- the man clearly loves it- he seems to get his biggest buzz when filming a girl's arsehole whether it be full of cock at the time or not.
In my experience (as the "giver" of course!), anal sex actually looks better than it feels, vaginal sex feels much better, but doing a bird up the bum is so sexy, so masculine and dominant and it looks awesome watching your old chap sliding in and out of such a tight area.
As John Stagliano said to Martin Amis....
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2003 12:28 pm
by belmondouk
Answer me something," I said to John Stagliano. We were stepping out of the porno home - on to the porno patio with its porno pool. This was Malibu. Down the slope and beyond the road lay the Pacific Ocean; but the Staglianos have no access to its porno shore, in the evening they can watch the porno sunset with its porno pink and mauve and blood-orange, and then linger awhile, perhaps, under a porno moon. "Answer me something. How do you account for the emphasis, not just in your . . . work but in the industry in general, how do you account for the truly incredible emphasis on anal sex?"
After a minimal shrug and a minimal pause Stagliano said, "Pussies are bullshit." Now John was being obedient to the dictionary definition of "bullshit" which is nonsense intended to deceive.
With vaginal, Stagliano elaborated - well, here you have some chick chirruping away. And the genuinely discerning viewer (jack-knifed over his flying fist) has got to be thinking: Is this for real? Or is it just bullshit?
With anal, on the other hand, the actress is obliged to produce a different order of response: more guttural, more animal. As Stagliano quaintly puts it, "Her personality comes out." He goes on: "You want guys who can fuck really good and make the girls look more . . . virile." Virile of course, means manly; but once again Stagliano is using the King's English. You want the girls to show you "their testosterone".
http://books.guardian.co.uk/departments ... 58,00.html
Re: Anal ....Why?
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2003 12:38 pm
by Goater
It's just the way it is really. There are people who like it and people who don't just as i hate les (the great British cop out) whilst others love it but i love any 1 of the 3 main holes filled. Everyone has their own tastes otherwise it would be boring. Never thought i'd try it but i met a girl who had and wanted me to and never looked back. Think it was just that male 'oh this must mean i'm gay or bi' attitude with me that prevented it before. To return a question, i think that a cum shot anywhere but the mouth or face is a total waste of time especially if it's on her fucking back(!) but that's just me and many will agree and disagree. Where do you stand on that one, Clive?
Re: Anal ....Why?
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2003 1:56 pm
by Officer Dibble
Yeah, I've noticed that with self-indulgent producers - they try and justify themselves by saying "It's what the punters want" or "You've got to do it for the US market." The fact is that, as you point out, they're really doing it because they love it themselves. Which is all well and good, the only problem is that this leads to a rash of extreme gonzo type films on the market when most ordinary folks are not into that kind of thing at all. They're quite happy with a 15-minute fuck 'n' suck with possibly a soucon' of anal thrown in to. If you go much further beyond that then Joe Average starts to feel a bit queasy. But some producers are so wrapped up in what they are doing they just can't see (or don?t want to see) this bigger picture.
Dibble.
Re: As John Stagliano said to Martin Amis....
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2003 2:13 pm
by Officer Dibble
"With anal, on the other hand, the actress is obliged to produce a different order of response: more guttural, more animal. As Stagliano quaintly puts it, "Her personality comes out." He goes on: "You want guys who can fuck really good and make the girls look more . . . virile." Virile of course, means manly; but once again Stagliano is using the King's English. You want the girls to show you "their testosterone".
What a load of bollocks hey? Stagliano's trying to suggest that there's more to a shag than meets the eye. That it has a deeper interpersonal or even spiritual quality than the rest of us had assumed. What a load of self-justifying, self-indulgent LA tripe. A shag's a shag, period.
I guess he's flailing around for ideas to flesh out the tired, past it?s sell by date 'Buttman' concept before everyone realises he's just a one trick pony. I used to be a fan.
Dibble.