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Pierre Woodman: fucker or faker?

Posted: Mon May 21, 2001 2:38 pm
by David J
I recently watched Private Casting # 16, the first vid in this series I have seen. (I didn't even intend to buy it, I was conned by a dodgy video shop, details of which I will post when I've checked the address, but that's another story.)

The vid was so-so until the last scene, when the director Pierre Woodman (chubby hairy bald French guy - yuk) shagged a very beautiful, shy, innocent-seeming Russian girl. After a bit of pussy he penetrated her supposedly virgin arsehole, which looked and sounded genuine, and then he built up speed to a really savage, brutally hard anal pounding. From reviews I've just checked at IAFD it seems this is his usual style.

But what struck me was that for the hard arsefucking part of the scene he shifted to positions where you couldn't see the penetration, and he might he been fucking her arse, her pussy, or thin air for that matter.

So does anyone know, are his scenes 100% genuine, or does he sometimes fake the extreme bits? If he fakes it, I have mixed feelings - on the one hand, if it's phony it isn't sexy, but on the other hand, I would be quite relieved for the sake of the girls!

Re: Pierre Woodman: fucker or faker?

Posted: Mon May 21, 2001 7:20 pm
by Maurie
He performs, just the two of them, in front of a fixed camera for these scenes which means that the angles are rather limited. I have 25 of them and they LOOK genuine.

Porn and introspection

Posted: Mon May 21, 2001 9:32 pm
by Matt
Here's an area I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on:

Does there ever come a point at which you'd turn your video off?
Do the images in certain styles of video of girls not enjoying themselves yet continuing to have sex do anything for you?
Does the growth of films like 'Gag Factor', 'Slap Happy' and the 'Max Hardcore' series concern you or excite you?

When does porn conflict with personal ethics?

I have long been intrigued at the fascination and apparent love of anal in the world of porn, where this enjoyment of anal comes from and what motivates it. I am inclined to believe (in general) that guys like having anal sex more then girls like receiving it. Yet the majority of new videos produced boast "all anal" or "100% anal" etc etc. My question is why?

Given that most of us would agree that the pleasure the guy gets in these films is not the reason we watch it, why the focus on an act that I think if most of the starletts were given a free choice on (and a choice that would not effect their future career) they would not choose to do?

Now I have nothing against anal sex and I'm not likening it to the violent sex films above in any way other then films that girls appear in largely because they are films to appear in, and not because of the enjoyment they gain from it.

Personally, if I watch a film or scene where the girl in question is not enjoying herself, I fast forward it, because I have no desire to see someone being put through something degrading like being forced to participate in an act they are not enjoying.

However, the drive of porno towards ever extreme acts and it's relentless emphasis on anal sex, I find myself watcing and enjoying because the girl in the film is (faking?) a big smile. If I suspect for a second she's deep down hating it, I switch off, but I find I encourage myself to believe that the girl is having a good time. I am becoming concerned at this duality I have within me, on the one hand wanting the best for the performer and for her to be having a great time and on the other hand convincing myself that she must be having a good time cos I want to enjoy what I'm watching.

Now I know that it is unrealistic and dubious to expect products to come with some kind of "all performers had a great time" guarantee, however I'm very interested in hearing if anyone else has observed how they think and feel when they are watching the stuff, and have considered their motivations and agendas. I think it's pretty important to do it, and not become a "ah just shut up, lay back and enjoy it" kind of person because I believe why we watch it, what we enjoy when we watch it and why we enjoy that are crucial questions in understanding ourselves and revealing our thought processes and attitudes a bit when it comes to other people.


Matt.

PS I am more then aware of one or two assumptions and ignorances in this post and may be wrong about them but as far as I'm aware I am not. I also know this is off topic, so delete it if it annoys you, but I'm genuinely interested in seeing what people think.

Re: Porn and introspection

Posted: Mon May 21, 2001 11:14 pm
by Otis
If something's made it to video, it's almost certain that nothing really terrible was going on, and there's nothing you can do about it anyway, as you've already bought the tape. If I suspect that a girl is putting up with, rather than enjoying, let's say a massive anal pounding, I don't find it sexy, but I do watch it. Partly because it's kind of interesting in a human interest kind of way - partly because if something happened, whether it's a good thing or a bad thing, I want to see it. That's why I watch the news, that's why I watch documentaries, and that's why like everyone else, when I first got the internet I went and looked at all the pictures of autopsies and that shit. I used to work for the courts and always morbidly enjoyed handling pictures of corpses, etc, as did everyone in the office. Doesn't mean I was glad the poor sods got murdered. It's just nature. That's why I'd watch "Rough Sex" etc., although I'd stop short of paying money for it, as that constitutes encouragement. Compared to all that, a girl wincing and treating a scene like a visit to the dentists isn't quite so bad. I think that by worrying too much about the consequences of women's free will, we're in danger of being patronising bastards.

Re: Porn and introspection

Posted: Tue May 22, 2001 5:32 am
by Lynda & Gregg
I agree. Anal sex can be very sensual and erotic, but, and this is a criticism of American videos more than anything else, the girls are expected to make "sexy" noises during the act, whether it is anal or vaginal. It get a little annoying after a while to listen to 5 minutues of "Oh Yeah" from the girls. From interview by various girls in the business I have read, some say they enjoy anal-sex. Most seem to love DP, and you can see why !!! Greedy girls !!!

In the end, it comes down to the girls performance, and that is what it is in the end, a performance.

Re: Porn and introspection

Posted: Tue May 22, 2001 5:56 am
by charlie
Some interesting thoughts here.
Several years ago - well, not that long ago really - it was a rarity to see anal sex in porno. Now? well it is the other way around, seemingly.
Vids which say "all-anal" sometimes make me think that we may as well go all the way and watch GAY porno.
I agree that these performances are just that very often - performances. And whilst I have doubts about the whole anal thing, I must say that I often enjoy these scenes. Who could not enjoy Rebekah in Ben Dover's "Back to the Crack". Was she enjoying it? Don't know, but she assumed we were and that's why I liked it.
However, I liked it not nearly as much as when she was having normal sex in Dirty Blondes. Surely the Pussy scene at the beginning of this is worth all the anals in the book!
Charlie.

Re: Porn and introspection

Posted: Tue May 22, 2001 10:41 am
by Phil McCavity
I was with Pierre on Thursday I don't remmember him as fat and hairy although he has very short hair, Are you sure it is him in the movie he was a big director for private before moving over to Hustler..he started at Hot Video magazine wher I can assure you he long hair still that was 15 years ago. Anal sex well some girls love it some hate it and some put up with it for the money. I know one French director who I won't name, he used a form of cocaine cream which he used to put on the girls ass this made it numb then they would do anal for hours even fisting the lot, the problem was the following day when the girl could'nt walk or work for a week,,,,what is it all about I guess I am to strait I don't like girls getting tied up beaten, punnished or even spat on I like it kind of normal one on one, all night, and believe me I could get any perverse thing I want. But why. I was always told master one thing before you move on and I am still mastering the art of normal shagging....And I have only shagged a few, most shag me close to death....as for all those sites with shit/animals etc I don't go there and I would encourage everyone to do the same this is not about law or rights of access its about common decency...I aways use the word weak when I talk about people who are into these things including punnishment etc and they are..They want to tie a pretty girl up gag her then beat her....hello...wake up...ask some of the girls who come on the forum what they prefer a bunch of flowers a bottle of wine and a long night shagging, licking and sucking or the shit whipped out of them...I hope the first.....
Phil McC
Phil McC

Re: Porn and introspection

Posted: Tue May 22, 2001 1:27 pm
by joe king
sounds a bit hypocritical Phil McC. In the Hardcore Cafe catalogue you have videos 'McCavity's Spanking Adventure' and 'Riding Scholl Spankers- the directors cut'. Now some people would consider spanking as a violent activity.

Re: Porn and introspection

Posted: Tue May 22, 2001 2:47 pm
by David J
Maybe describing him as 'bald' was a bit unkind - the guy in the vid had short cropped hair with a big bald spot on top. He had a hairy chest and belly, and a stocky build. (OK, 'chubby' might be overstating it!) One of the reviews at iafd.com (not of this vid but another one in the series) also described Woodman as balding, and the description of Woodman 'performances' in all the Private Casting vids was very similar to the one I've seen. (Someone described it as 'turbo-charged assfucking'.) So if it isn't Woodman who is it?

On the whole question of anal sex, I must admit I do like watching it, provided it isn't obviously painful. I think the attraction is partly the interest of seeing how the girl will react, especially if she isn't really used to it. But it also has the visual advantage that you can get a good look at the girl's pussy while she is being fucked in the arse (especially in RCA), so you get the best of both worlds!

Re: Porn and introspection

Posted: Tue May 22, 2001 4:34 pm
by Phil McC
Well spotted Joe, Butt(joke) most scenes were playful some were faked up alot all the other people were into it, and I never said I had never shot any or worked on sets..this is how I formed my opinion of it all......The new description is begining to sound like Pierre....

Phil McC