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Big Babies in Budapest.
Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 10:20 pm
by ted
I didn't see this title listed in the 'films' section. It features (among others) Victoria Queen, and Anita Blond and also a lady called Liza Turner, who isn't listed either. I was hoping to find some more films with her in. Does it go by a different name in Europe?
Re: Big Babies in Budapest.
Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 11:17 pm
by Len801
I would assume because this series (4 produced between 1996-1999) is produced by Elegant Angel
http://www.iafd.com/results.asp?searcht ... n+budapest
and although shot in Europe, it may be considered technically a US production, and is therefore excluded from the EGAFD database.
http://www.iafd.com/title.asp?title=Big ... &year=1996
As for Liza Turner, I really can't help you. She is not listed under that name at Eurobabeindex and IAFD has no other titles besides this one.
Re: Big Babies in Budapest.
Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 3:19 pm
by ted
Cheers, Len.
I would've thought the actresses' listings would list such titles though. Thanks anyway.
Re: Big Babies in Budapest.
Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 4:00 pm
by Len801
I cannot speak for EGAFD, and it is their decision whether to include or exclude such films from their database.
They prefer to list titles that are exclusively of continental pedigree, although I cannot understand why Private titles are not there.
In addition from time to time certain titles do creep in there that really don't belong there, but I don't make policy for them, although I have taken up this issue with Alec.
For instance I continue to be suprised, because someone in this forum recently asked a question about a US film Julia Perrier made for Caballero called LOVE DREAMS (1980). It is there in the database, but as far as I can tell it was a US proction with US cast. But I think director Alan Vydra was of French origin.
As it is, you really have to do a lot a searching to establish what films a certain performer has made. IAFD excludes foreign films (well, except those that are sometimes released there in dubbed versions), EGAFD lists only Euro stuff (more or less), and Eurobabeindex for strictly actresses/models from eastern europe
Re: Big Babies in Budapest.
Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 4:56 pm
by Hitman
Private titles are not listed at EGAFD as they are already listed at IAFD, and Alec and the team just don't have the time to list them all here. Perhaps one day when there are less entries apearing on the database they could possibly list them. The database entries are never ending.....
A few Private titles have been listed by mistake before but were removed.
Re: Big Babies in Budapest.
Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 5:08 pm
by mark shanon
Vydra was a tschech transplanted in Germany, wasn't he?
Re: Big Babies in Budapest.
Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 5:34 pm
by soljARis
Personally I think the best possible solution to this problem would be to have both EGAFD and IAFD linking at each other's for the pages of actresses featured in both sites.
It should be up to alec and van aarle to find such an agreement.
Re: Big Babies in Budapest.
Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 8:49 pm
by Len801
I can't speak for the way EGAFD Database was set up. It was perhaps a way to enlarge on their already set British film Database. Perhaps they wanted to limit themselves in light of the number of titles involved (US and Euro), and perhaps they wanted to avoid stepping on each other's toes.
The result is unfortunate, because you need to consult both Databases (as well as others) to get a sense of what an actress has done.
IMDB.com is a giant legit film database with some hard-core performers/directors and titles, IAFD.com mostly US titles, EGAFD basically Euro stuff (and I say "unfortunately", there are a number of softcore performers and titles there, since it is basically an adult film database), and Eurobabeindex concentrates on eastern european female performers/models and their filmos (only film titles are given in their filmos, with linkage to video distributors). Each once specializes in certain areas.
With these differing interests, I think it would be next to impossible to form just one giant Database.
To cross link to each other would in my opinion not be workable. IAFD com has already acknowledged in its site the work of Eurobabindex regarding eastern european performers.
Re: Big Babies in Budapest.
Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 12:38 am
by Len801
There are a number of inconsistencies with the EGAFD Database and I do not wish to appear to be overly critical. It has done a wonderful and splendid job, and I am happy to contribute in any way I can (I will get to this in more details shortly).
For instance, it lists actresses that have done soft-core stuff and soft-core titles. I have heard the reasons, except I just don't understand the logic of it all.
Also Private film ARE really Euro films and SHOULD be included in the EGAFD Database, regardless of whether IAFD covers them as well. That is what I mean by inconsistencies, if you are going to cover adult films, why list soft-core films, and if you are going to list all Euro films, why exclude Private films? Would you exclude VMD titles just because they are released in an English dubbed version by Wicked in the US (and listed at IAFD)? Would you exclude Pinko's FASHION just because it was shot with (rather awful) English soundtrack?
The problem is that in these last few years, numerous Euro actresses (and even to a lesser extent male actors) have shot numerous films in the USA, and there have been numerous film companies (Elegant Angel, Evil Angel, Anabolic, etc) that have shot films in Europe. So its gets harder and harder to define what truly is a "continental" production and even harder still to track down the flms that a certain adult actress has made (in Spain, France, Italy, USA), especially when she uses a variety of names.
I have just worked on the filmography of a blonde German actress named Tara Young, for another forum. She has only made a handful of Euro films and for the last couple of years she has shot numerous films in the USA under the name of Anna Nova. So if you were to look at the EGAFD databse you would only get those handful of Euro films, if you would check at IAFD you would get only the US titles, and if you would check at Eurobabeindex you would get nothing because she is German. That is the state of affairs.
EGAFD has this forum where people can exchange info about Euro adult performers, and I find this great. IAFD used a newsgroup (RAME), but for over a year now it has become unmoderated and it is now full of spam and most of the old posters there have fled to here and elsewhere. IAFD has been unwilling to change to a forum format. At RAME the discussions are basically between the posters and the IAFD administrators rarely intervene, while here there is active participation, at least from what I have seen.
For my own experience, I find the administrators at EGAFD to be more eager for info and quite willing to modify their database. Changes are made quickly and without much ado. At IAFD, the situation is not quite the same.
I know I have wondered off course from the original post, but I am new posting in this forum, and I wanted to express my views on the different types of information that is available to someone who is trying to track down films that an adult performer has made.
Re: Big Babies in Budapest.
Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 2:56 am
by Hitman
I think you make a valid point about all the databases. I think from all the databases, the IMDB would list all be it USA, European or rest of the World. If the infomation is provided they would list pretty much all the titles made by certain actresses. But again it would require some one with better knowledge to add titles there as long as all the info provided is correct as they do like to list titles with correct release date year of the title. They also list all softcore and hardcore titles, but no database anywhere will ever be complete. There are movies, video's and DVDs coming out every day so its hard to keep up and keep a track on whats out. for example Anna Nova is listed with a mixture of Euro & US movies on IMDB:-
As for Private titles, I kind of agree they should be listed but adding them would be a very long process and the moderators would have there work cut out. They would be working around the clock to get them all listed. I think they do make notes about the actresses in Private movies though, they just don't list them. Running a database like this isn't easy. A lot more time and effort is required. Its easier said than done. As it is the EGAFD is brilliant with the infomation it already provides on old and very new Euro titles.