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....much as we did with the IRA.

I think that, following the current atrocity in Manchester, with children deliberately targeted and many of them killed, that the time has come. Let us start arranging internment camps for those who do not take the opportunity to leave voluntarily.

I know that not all Muslims are terrorists, but the fact is that all terrorists, at the present time, are Muslims.

I was working in Birmingham in 1974, around the time of the pub bombings.

I recall the swivel-eyed loons using the exact words you have just used, but they, of course, substituted the word "Irish" where you have used the word "Muslim".

It was shite then, it's shite now.

nazi

I'm sure Steve is just as sick of this shit as the rest of us.
The IRA at least had an objective, a result to be reached by war or (thankfully) jaw.
The IS though, they just seem to have one objective - our way or death.

IMO we would be in a better position if since 1973 the UK had not been tied into any EU laws and agreements for immigration, deportation, asylum seekers etc. For many now in the UK from the Middle East their point of entry was elsewhere in Europe.

You are mixing up the EU with the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR), established by the European Convention on Human Rights drafted in 1950 by the Council of Europe of which the UK was a founding member.

The EU has laws regarding the free movement of European citizens within the EU/EEA. It?s the ECHR who oversee laws and agreements for immigration, deportation, asylum seekers etc.

But look on the bright side; the Conservatives manifesto for the forthcoming General Election has set out a plan to review the UK?s membership of the council of Europe.

There are currently 47 member states of the Council of Europe.

If the UK leaves we will join Belarus as the only two Nations on the whole continent of Europe NOT to be members of the Council of Europe.

That will be nice.

"but the fact is that all terrorists, at the present time, are Muslims"

Thanks to Andy Burnham, who I was listening to on the radio this morning, I am reminded that Thomas Mair (a terrorist) wasn't a Muslim.

Thomas Mair is simply a murderer.

Just like Salman Abedi.

Today from the news I learn that Salman Abedi was a British citizen with full British passport and rights. His parents were Libyan but resident in the UK.

Salman Abedi is reported to have very recently been to Libya and probably Syria. However as a UK citizen his return to the UK could not be challenged in any way.

If his parents could not have been resident in the UK he would not have been a British citizen.

A step back would be that even though his parents were resident in the UK he, and all others with a similar background, could not be full UK citizens. Then if they leave the UK they could not automatically return. Here as he was known to the police there was a legitimate reason to refuse his return.



As to the ECHR what ever the background and intentions in recent years it has allowed people to remain in the UK by overturning the decision of a UK court applying UK law. I wonder too if UK courts have made decisions knowing that if they decided otherwise it would only be overturned by the ECHR incurring more costs.


Without being tied into EU law on the free movement of European citizens many now in the UK could have been refused entry.


What has happened can not be changed. What now matters is aiming to make a repeat much more difficult. The issue is what can be changed and, at least for many years ahead, is it effectively locking the stable door after the horse has bolted. Brexit is an opportunity for changes not possible before.