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The BNP leader lost his seat last night and was apparently punched as he arrived at the count. The BNP are on the slide, UKIP are on the rise.

max_tranmere wrote:

> The BNP leader lost his seat last night and was apparently
> punched as he arrived at the count. The BNP are on the slide,
> UKIP are on the rise.

The two are not related.

I think they are, for some people at least. The people who were fed up, and scared, by how we were and are being taken too far into Europe and how we were and are being swamped with immigrants, previously voted BNP and are now voting UKIP. There are exceptions but a lot of people who voted for one, now the other, fall into that category.

You have no evidence of that whatsoever. The BNP had two MEPs at the last election, Ukip had 13 (and one late defector). How do you explain that? Things have got worse since then so surely by your analysis more would vote BNP as happened with the Front National in France.

You are falling into the trap that Ukip are all fruitcakes, loons and closet racists, which is simplistic and highly insulting.

But if the BNP are losing votes, who did those voters switch to in your opinion?

As you pointed out, only one in three voted.

My point was that if they are all voting Ukip then how did Ukip have a strong showing last time round when the BNP were supposedly in the ascendancy?

I don't know, but I think Max was talking about the difference between then and now. UKIP has risen at the same time as the BNP has fallen. Of course, UKIP's rise isn't solely down to disaffected BNP voters, but I think that it would be less of a jump for a BNP supporter to vote UKIP than, say, one of the other central parties.

Of course some may not have bothered voting at all.

A Tory MP said last Thursday evening, as the Council votes were coming in, that "the Lib Dems used to be the dustbin for all the protest votes, now it's UKIP". I think the BNP were that too for a while. A lot of people who felt, and they were right to feel, that neither of the two main parties gave a damn about the tsunami of immigration and its effects and were also happy to sell us out to Europe, often felt there was nowhere to go but to vote BNP - to give a kind of "shot across the bows" to the main parties to tell them how seriously they felt about these issues. I believe most people who voted BNP did it for those reasons and also because they wanted to try and preserve a kind of Britishness in Britian, when all the main two parties do is tell us how wonderful it is that millions move here even though we haven't got the room and the public services can not cope with the influx. UKIP now seem to echo those views, so the people who voted BNP for those reasons now feel UKIP is there as they seem to have views similar on those subjects. I've always felt that only a minority of BNP supporters were the jack-boot, skinhead, thug type. Those people will continue to vote BNP whatever happens. It's interesting how Nick Griffin's seat in the north-west has been taken from him by UKIP and I think that has happened for the reasons I've stated, namely people feel that UKIP supports them in their desire to hugely cut down on immigration and to get more powers back to Westminster and away from Europe.

Interesting interview, now he's lost his seat he is a lot more open about his real views on things. Food banks for white people:

But there are other parties you can vote for 'in protest'. Why didn't these protest voters vote for the Greens?

Politics has to come into it at some point.......even if it's a protest vote.