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So the political landscape is changing, or is it a wake up call to those in power that they have it wrong ?

When things start to go wrong the population turns right, its always been that way, as we start to feel the pinch and realise that we are failing in so many areas, that we are finding it hard to say no to europe.

Last time europe went for us we kicked them into touch - now its by stealth now the invasion is here and we are even letting them in.

Illegal immigrant ? bang ferry or plane out of here why let them stay send back to last point before entry. If they are flocking here then ask why and stop the temptation.

We need to sort this country out the people need to get the goverment kicked into touch....

"bang ferry or plane out of here why let them stay. send back to last point before entry."

My understanding is that the government doesn't want to spend money on sending illegals home on the first plane/ship. They reckon it costs too much money. Prevention is better than cure in my book. Who cut down customs? Our cheap skating government.

"Wake up call to those in power that they have it wrong?"

Of course it is. Time will tell if it's a protest vote and people will go back to the 'normal' parties at election time.

"When things start to go wrong the population turns right,"

That's because most people are right handed and right footed. (Trying to be funny).

"Last time europe went for us we kicked them into touch"

Er.. when was this?

"We need to sort this country out the people need to get the government kicked into touch...."

Labour won't be much better.

[quote]Labour won't be much better.[/quote]

Now you've gone and done it.

Work late? Forget about it. Like watching evening TV, the footy or going out with friends? Not a chance. Cancel your holidays. Do not work late. All your spare time will now be spent justifying that little comment to David Johnson.

You silly boy.

Blimey......he's seen it. You might be in luck. He might leave you alone in a bid to prove my prediction wrong.

If you do manage to get away on you holidays this summer, I want a present bringing back.

I can't promise anything, mind. Just remember I tried my best.

"Time will tell if it's a protest vote and people will go back to the 'normal' parties at election time."

Not sure if things will go back to "normal". UKIP has hit a chord on immigration which I don't think is going to reduce in the next year. All depends on how the other parties react on this topic. And I don't think either of them will change their line other than perhaps Labour being dragged into making a referendum commitment for the near future.

"Labour won't be much better."

Depends.

If you are rich and/or work in finance you will probably be a bit worse off under Labour given the Tories get half their funding from hedge funds etc. They have to deliver in return for all that money. There will not be the series of ridiculously low priced privatisations e.g. Royal Mail which allow hedge funds to clean up in a matter of weeks.

If you are unemployed or ordinary working person on low wage you will be better off, but not by much. Why? because of the right wing media hold on public opinion in this country, Labour will be forced down the route of austerity, austerity, austerity and prudence, prudence (see 1997 for comparision) etc. in order to get anywhere.

I doubt if Miliband has the guts to break away from this constraint and put out truly radical policies which I would like to see.

Back to the footie. Come on Derby!!!!

"If you are unemployed or ordinary working person on low wage you will be better off, but not by much. Why? because of the right wing media hold on public opinion in this country, Labour will be forced down the route of austerity, austerity, austerity and prudence, prudence (see 1997 for comparison) etc. in order to get anywhere."

We shall see. The way i see it the government is there to run the country. When the world economy is good the British economy is good. When the world economy is bad. The British economy is bad. I don't see any future government bucking that trend.

Well that's the end of that for Derby.

"The way i see it the government is there to run the country. When the world economy is good the British economy is good. When the world economy is bad. The British economy is bad. I don't see any future government bucking that trend."

Well I would agree that no national government can be immune to what is happening in the world economy. However, that is not to play down the role of national government in making decisions on how global changes impact on their citizens.

For example, Norway has a much higher standard of living than UK. Now you could argue that this is because it has the natural resources of oil, for example. Britain too, once had very large quantities of North Sea oil but government decisions have resulted in the UK not getting the same benefits as the Norwegian people have had from those resources. This is down to national government decisions.

Luxembourg has a much higher standard of living and all the countries in Scandinavia have a considerably higher quality of life index. This hasn't happened just by luck but by measures taken by government.

So national governments can make differences dependent on their policies and competencies even given the constraints of how the global economy may be doing.

You're getting it all wrong.

When the Lib Dems are in a coalition, any austerity is due to 'propping up the Tories'. Bad Tories - bad Lib Dems.

When/if Labour get in to power and carry on with austerity it's only because of 'pressure' from the media. Poor Labour.

In other words.....David's already getting his excuses in, just in case. I think we all know we'd be in no better or worse position regardless who'd be in power unless it was someone really radical (and that could mean 'worse' too). You gotta love politics though.........the more one talks politics the more bullshit one spouts.

I'd never trust a man that stabs his blood in the back for power. His supporters will twist it into being principled but it's sociopathic. Ed Miliband's only hope of being PM is in coalition with the Lib Dems, and even then, that's only if he's lucky.

!laugh!

"When the Lib Dems are in a coalition, any austerity is due to 'propping up the Tories'."

Do you dispute the large drop in living standards that has occurred under the coalition government?

If the Lib Dems had not been obsessed with power they could have opted for the confidence and supply option which would have avoided a coalition government with a party that is diametrically opposed to allegedly core Lib Dem values. The "supply" side would provide support for the Tories in terms of funds for the government to continue in return for stopping the onslaught on public services and the working poor. Clegg went for the option of playing Deputy Prime Minister instead.

It is obvious that the electorate has reacted to this treachery on the part of the Lib Dems towards students and their own party activists. That is why they have taken a pasting ever since in the council elections, much more so than the Tories .

"When/if Labour get in to power and carry on with austerity it's only because of 'pressure' from the media."

Not the "only" reason obviously. As I stated elsewhere in the thread "I doubt if Miliband has the guts to break away from this constraint"

"I think we all know we'd be in no better or worse position regardless who'd be in power "

The idea that a government makes no difference on whether the country is "in a better or worse position" is not one that is true, I suspect, or even you, yourself believe.

After all, have you forgotten the endless pro-Lib Dem posts you made and the Nick Clegg quote that ended all your messages for years?

PS. Let's hope for your sake Cockneygeezer or someone else posts on this topic or you are fucked being able to reply to me.