What is your "Outrage" level?

[jimslip]

I have read with interest the outrage exprssed by various OT Forum commentators on the subject of the "Teacher and his pupil story.

I was interested to know what figure, out of 10 would people on this forum give to this story and the other stories below. For example would this story warrant a 9/10 on the "OUTRAGOMETER" and the story of the asylum seeker running down the child get a 3/10?

Some stories that warrant outrage, place your outrage level!

STORY A



STORY B


STORY C


STORY D

[Arginald Valleywater]

C comfortably. Anything where officials cover up abuse to proetect their careers. Also why Hell has a particularly nasty place for paedophile Catholic priests and the bishops who still condone and hide their behaviour.

[jimslip]

Arginald, what do you award story C out of 10 for "outrage?" And the others?

[bamboo]

A ~ 2 (Can't say I was that outraged. Just saw him as a person in a position of trust, who stepped over several boundaries and will now get what's coming to him).

B ~ 4 (Though I'm more 'outraged' at the leniency of his sentence, rather that the whole deportation question).

C ~ 7 (Outraged...Yes, Surprised...No).

D ~ 8 (Brutal scum, that need to be dropped off in Mexico city, with the words 'drug dealers are pussies', tattooed on their foreheads).

[jimslip]

My outrage levels are:

9/10 For story D. Just trying to imagine how the parents of that poor goth girl will feel for the rest of their lives, remembering having to ID the destroyed face of their daughter at the morgue.Remembering her as a child, loving her, tolerating her silly Goth behaviour, all the normal stuff between parent and child. Then having to endure this and the knowledge that those 2 bits of human excrement will be back in the streets "having a laugh" in no time at all, having spent a few years being patted on their backs, sympathised with and playing PS3's in some hotel, sorry "Prison" somewhere.

8/10 For story B. All of the above, but at least it was an accident and not totally and utterly malicious. Outraged that the bastard isn't dumped back in what ever shit hole he originated from though..........

8/10 For story C. Outraged that the last government had created a society in which the likes of me and you would experience the full weight of the law if we so as much dropped a fag end, while at the same time allowing Paedophile sex gangs to roam free, without a care in the world, for no other reason than than the fear of being branded "Racist". Even more outraged at knowing that if Labour hadn't been booted out, those same gangs would STILL be running amok.

6/10 For story A. Not really that "Outraged" at all, by some 15 year old slapper who looks more like she's 25, running off with some stupid arsehole of a teacher. Of course it is wrong and of course he should be punished for 1/ abusing the trust placed on him and 2/ Carrying on with an underage girl.

But can you really feel that, "Outraged" when this story is set against the other stories? Remember this teacher will have his whole life ruined, he will never get another job or be able to form another relationship without the stigma of, "Paedo" attached to him. Will the 2 sadistic, murdering yobs have their lives ruined, of course not. Social workers will be already beavering away, making plans to ensure that their introduction back into society is as happy and smooth as possible.

What about the asylum seeker? I expect he'll also be sorted out in a couple of years with a job, car and nice pad and his 11 year old victim will be just an unpleasant and annoying memory for him.

What about the Pakistani paedos? They'll be welcomed back into their closed communities when they are set free. All will be forgiven and they will quietly go back to their lives, without a hint of remorse and maybe if Labour get back in, be able to get back to "business as usual" in a few years time!

Everything is relative and just when you think you have been "outraged", along comes another awful act which outrages you even more. When you look at the hideous, murderous crimes committed throughout the world over the last decade or two, all the above stories fade into insignificance. In the end, like the Marshall amplifier in the movie Spinal Tap, we must add a few extra notches onto our "outrage guage", ie a 10/10 max simply isn't enough anymore, sadly, you need maybe 14/10 for some crimes!

[frankthring]

Interesting concept Jim. Methinks you are being a naughty boy trying to
stir us all up ! But full marks for creativity !
I am astonished you award 6/10 for the Story A of the teacher and 15
year old. That means you are more than half-outraged ! She will be 16
in 8 months Jim ! What the hell is there to be outraged about. Saddened -
yes ! Even bemused by the idiocy of men but I am not outraged at all.
On stories B, C & D the marks are 7, 8 and 9 accordingly We all seem to
find Story D the most appalling. I could tell you what I would do with such
scum but some of your politically correct readers might object to the
treatment.

[David Johnson]

"Interesting concept Jim. Methinks you are being a naughty boy trying to
stir us all up !"

No, surely not! I suspect Mr. Slip has been attending regular meetings of Ranters Anonymous and the task of identifying outrage levels for different scenarios was part of his weekly homework.

"I could tell you what I would do with such
scum but some of your politically correct readers might object to the
treatment."

"Politically correct" is the nonsensical phrase that lazy indviduals use to insult people who disagree with them.

Why not use a more accurate phrase, Frank, such as " I could tell you what I would do with such scum but some people with differing views might object to the treatment".

[thealtruist]

But it IS political correctness. The correctness that you seem to love so much. If the government/law whatever suddenly decide that you can't say something then that's the political group "correcting" you so that's political correctness.

[David Johnson]

"If the government/law whatever suddenly decide that you can't say something then that's the political group "correcting" you so that's political correctness."

No it isn't., that's called government legislation.

Who is saying that Frank shouldn't state what he thinks with regard to how murderers should be treated in his post? Not the government! Not me.

So Frank's reference isn't an example of political correctness as you describe anyway. Nor are any forumites who might disagree with his views on the treatment of murderers being "politically correct" either.

Political correctness as a term on this forum and in general, is used as an insult by people with what are generally viewed as right wing political views, aimed at anyone who disagrees with them. For example, if Frank stated he would like to see the murderers of the goth girl dragged past the Tower of London and their intestines pulled out and burnt in front of them, I might disagree with that punishment. I have that view not because I am being politically correct as Frank would probably argue, but because I think Frank is talking arse.

Those people tend to be terrified of having to defend their views so to avoid that scenario, they just resort to a catch-all insult, "you are being politically correct" or the "political correctness you love so much".

[frankthring]

David Johnson - I have no axe for you though your reply would imply
that I was thinking of you or you are a bit touchy about the term
"political correctness". You have become the PC label for the bgafd but
actually, David, I always think thats a tad unfair (on immigration I get
the impression you are more right wing then me).
But thealtruist is right ! You cannot simply say the term "politically
correct" is nonsensical. Well, you CAN say it, David, but that is in itself
twaddle. To support corporal or capital punishment these days is to risk
being belittled by PC folk. British rules and regulations are so full of safety
at work PC tosh that they make a joke of a sensible society. To prove my
point on this, David, just wait for the festive season to approach and see
which town councils refuse to put up decorations because they don`t have
hard hats for the men on stepladders, or the wrong stepladders, or there is
a "fear" the decorations will blow down and hit someone ! Political
correctness exists and it is ruining British society.