Obama or Romney?

[Arginald Valleywater]

One complete failure and one war mongering bible basher. Polls running 50-50. Like choosing between mouldy cheese and a 5 day old scone.

Obama has failed at home and abroad, which must be a record and Romney is hell bent on a scuffle with Iran.

I really do feel sorry for the average American having to choose between these two.

[andy at handiwork]

If you have so much as a single liberal bone in your body it has to be the incumbent.

[David Johnson]

"Complete failure"

What evidence have you for this?

The US has done better than the UK on just about every positive economic statistic in the last two years and has had growth figures that Cameron and Osborne would kill for.

I repeat, what evidence have you for your statement about Obama's complete failure?

[Arginald Valleywater]

Oh fuck off DJ I know you would vote for him, like so many other PC cretins did because he is Black but America is still bankrupt, still at war on god knows how many fronts, is still the gun crime capital of the planet and still bullies their populatiuon into more and more repressive laws just in case an innocent Arab farts in Texas. Do you visit planet earth very often?

[Essex Lad]

Too many people "invested" all their hopes and dreams in Obama in 2008, and they'll be loathe to question themselves and turn back now. The Republicans have gone too far to the right to get elected.

[Arginald Valleywater]

What hopes and dreams? America is close to being a Police State. Civil liberties are being eroded by Liberal Fascism and their government is even more in the pockets of the banking elite than ours.

[Essex Lad]

But how much worse would it have been had McCain and the terminally thick Sarah Palin been elected?

[David Johnson]

Poor, desperate Argie, all you are left with are insults i.e "fuck off DJ" and "PC cretin"

Always the last resort of a desperate man who has nothing going for him.

Correct me if I am wrong but you stated "Obama has failed at home" and that he is a "complete failure". Or did I just imagine that?

As you know, most elections are fought on the "economy stupid". No I am not insulting you, that was part of the quote. I don't need to call you a cretin or tell you to "fuck off", I just choose to bury you instead.

As I am sure you are aware, Obama was inaugurated President in early 2009. The first thing for you to get is that he did not cause the financial banking collapse. So he was not in charge when banks were getting up to all sorts. Unlike Blair and co. I may add.

Having said that, look at the US v. UK growth figures in a graph halfway down this link

http://sluggerotoole.com/2012/03/13/the ... there-yet/

The graph shows that under Obama growth figures over 2011 were far better in the US than the UK and most of the EU. The OECD forecast for 2012 for the G7 issued this week predicts that the US growth will be 1.7% and that the UK will be -0.7% for 2012. So there is no doubt that in terms of generating growth in the economy he has done far, far better than Cameron and co and most of the EU.

Secondly you need to remember that the Republicans are very strong in one of the houses and that it has been a real, real effort to get through stuff like healthcare which many Republicans regard as "commie" policies from Britain. Do you agree with the Republicans by the way, Argie?

Without growth no-one pays off debts in a generation. And anyone who thinks simply cutting spending is the answer to debt problems ought to pay a night trip to the Athens streets. Tickets for Cameron and Osborne please!!!

Now let's look at foreign policy. Just to repeat unlike Bush, the only substantial military involvement that I can recall that Obama has brought the US into is Libya. However he did that very reluctantly and as I recall the lead in the process of getting a UN resolution for air strikes was one David Cameron. Although Obama instructed the US to lead the first plane strikes, after about 6 days or so, Obama backtracked as fast as he could go and handed the leadership of the entire operation over to Nato.

Now as you are aware, Obama did not lead the US into Iraq, nor Afghanistan so he had the pile of crap which Bush had left him with. On August 31, 2010, Obama announced that the United States combat mission in Iraq was over and has hugely reduced the number of soldiers in Iraq.

On Afghanistan, which is real pile of crap he has announced the withdrawal of all US troops in 2014 as far as I know. We will see!

Now no more potty mouthed "fuck off " insults to a fellow forumite, Arginald otherwise I will be contacting your mother, who apparently was a NHS manager. She may have some carbolic soap left over to wash out the mouth of her brattish, little son.

[David Johnson]

"and their government is even more in the pockets of the banking elite than ours."

You must have been sleeping when this lot hit the press

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... andal.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012 ... ng-apology

http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.actio ... 4980352150

http://money.cnn.com/2012/07/02/news/ec ... /index.htm

Bit better than the UK FSA under Brown and Osborne, wouldn't you say?

[bamboo]

Plus, Obama has the 'We killed Osama on my watch' card to play. I'm sure he's saving that for the T.V. debates.
Scarily, looking at the polls at the mo, that might be the difference between four more years and him disappearing into the wilderness.