Saliva, Semen, Faeces and Vomit

[mark cremona]

always nice to read the establishment's point of view

[Flat_Eric]

Yes a nice balanced and objective article there. That's "balanced and objective" as in "tub-thumping feminist bullshit".

This reader's comment sums it up perfectly for me:


"You frankly couldn't care less about "health and safety", your real concern is that porn exists at all.

Or, rather, that porn meant to please men exists at all. It seems as if fourth wave Feminism, in a desperate attempt to remain relevant, has begun targeting various activities for the sole reason that men enjoy them.

You see this with video games, which are labelled sexist for appealing to their target audience (young men). You also see this with sports, where men are chastised for watching predominantly male sports (never mind biology!). Finally, you see this with porn, which all men, but perhaps especially men who aren't in a relationship, find to be a daily pleasure.

It is, frankly, vindictive and belies both an ignorance (male porn actors, after all, are paid less and often must do gay porn before breaking through into straight porn - where is your concern for them?) and arrogance (you don't like this particular activity, so NOBODY is allowed to like this particular activity) that unfortunately characterises much of the modern Feminist movement".

I'd pay good money to see this daft mare up against someone like Nina Hartley in a debate.

Most modern porn leaves me cold (too much silicone, too many tats, too many cloned models who look like they've come off some production line in Eastern Europe, far too many scenes that lack any eroticism) but this is just the ramblings of a Harperson-esque man-hater with a chip on her shoulder.

- Eric

[andy at handiwork]

Some really good responses from people after it. She clearly doesn't have a clue about recent developments in porn, the rise of 'amateur' and tube sites especially. Still, the Guardian is a broad church, there's room for many points of view in it.

[Flat_Eric]

More about the lovely "Mzzz" Dines here:



Also watched a couple of talk show clips on YouTube in which she features. Typical misandrist nutter of the "all men are rapists" variety.

- Eric

[jimslip]

"Saliva, Semen,Faeces and Vomit!"

Sounds like a great title for a porn series or maybe a catchy song?!wink!

[andy at handiwork]

Lower down the page you give there is a thorough demolition of her methodology, or lack of, her arrogance towards dissent, the almost total lack of citations or evidence for her sweeping and uninformed generalisation etc.

[Flat_Eric]

Yes Andy, she is agenda-driven and talks uninformed, biased and flawed bollocks (porn producers are just money-hungry exploiters of helpless women / female porn performers are all being "abused" / anyone who consumes porn is a rapist, child abuser or sex killer waiting to happen etc. etc.).

The problem is though that because of people like her, this is presented as gospel by the mainstream meeja, is then accepted as such by large sections of the the chattering classes, and this in turn is picked up on by do-gooders in positions of power like Claire Perry MP.

- Eric

[Jonone]

She refers to seeing saliva, semen, faeces and vomit 'on set' which gives the impression of being an insider when in fact she's talking about watching dvds.

If I reviewed mainstream films and referred to things i'd seen 'on set' I think it would make me appear more involved and therefore authoritative and 'reliable' and 'credible' than would be the case.

[Alex L]

Usual Guardian style, mixing up their profile photos/captions, I'm fairly sure that picture is Rosa Klebb.

[frankthring]

I have an old friend in Hastings who is 85. He still likes to look at a bit
of porn on his home computer. As he said the other day, "Why are those
who oppose porn always such ugly bitches. ? Why ?" Why indeed. She
seems a sad fat cow.