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Lets blame the coroner instead of the Met and the CPS
Business as usual then, reminds me of Dr David Kelly and his police suicide.

Dr Patel aint the Coroner. He is the incompetent Forensic Medical Examiner who fucked up the autopsy on Ian Tomlinson and has now been banned from conducting any more forensic autopsies. So, how is that a cover up?
The Met and that arsehole copper are to blame and I hope that the Tomlinson families private prosecution of the twatt who was responsible for Ian Tomlinsons death is succesful.

RoddersUK wrote:

> Dr Patel aint the Coroner. He is the incompetent Forensic
> Medical Examiner who fucked up the autopsy on Ian Tomlinson and
> has now been banned from conducting any more forensic
> autopsies. So, how is that a cover up?
> The Met and that arsehole copper are to blame and I hope that
> the Tomlinson families private prosecution of the twatt who was
> responsible for Ian Tomlinsons death is succesful.
>
If ever there was a travesty of justice it is this case.

While not justice, it would be fair if, as well as being booted out of the Met, PC Harwood loses his pension.

Essex Lad wrote:

> While not justice, it would be fair if, as well as being booted
> out of the Met, PC Harwood loses his pension.


At first, as a side-effect of spending time on this site, I read that as "loses his penis" - which would be a bit harsh.

Not sure how it was necessary for Mr Tomlinson to be pushed to the ground in any case. The video didn't show whether he'd been giving Plod the verbals beforehand, but he was shambling away from them when he got shoved down. Apart from making Pc Harwood feel like a big man, I don't understand what he intended to achieve. If the guy wasn't moving quickly enough, then he's not going to crawl along the floor any quicker than he can walk, is he?

Snappy wrote:

. Apart from making Pc Harwood
> feel like a big man, I don't understand what he intended to
> achieve.

It's the mindset they from their training of "Never be wrong, never back down", "If you're wrong, change things until you're right", "Always get them for something", "Always dominate the situation", that gives them this "I am the law, you will obey" attitude they have.

Combined with the management culture of "we'll always back you up and cover up if needed", they eventually believe they are untouchable, unaccountable, invincible and can do what ever they like.

From speeding fines to manslaughter, they continually get away with it, so they'll continue to do it.

Spot on Peter.

Until the gendarmes reinvent themselves and return to the "In the community" policing that I and others of my age group grew up with then the present attitudes will prevail.
They need to get out of their beemers and mercs and start using their feet and communicating with the public.
A couple of years ago Brighton police stationed a uniformed copper at he Clock Tower in central Brighton during daylight hours as a general information centre and someone who the public could approach with problems or shopkeepers if they had problems and he could summon up the cavalry. It was very succesful, so, did the cops continue with it? Nope, it was a waste of their resources when they were being forced to make savings.
So, if it costs a bit of dosh the public can "gey ta fook"!!
They are the architects of their own standing in the public eye.

I remember London on 8 July 2005. All leave cancelled, all diversity awareness courses abandoned, and every copper on the streets. What's the betting that next to no crime was committed that day? As Peter rightly says the police should be on the streets as a visible deterrent not skulking in cars and in police stations (on the rare occasions you can find one open).

Who would have thought 15 years ago when Tesco was open 9-5 and the police stations all day that come the 21st Century Tesco would be open 24 hours a day and police stations 9-5?

This argument about cops on the beat has been going on for years but the new breed of target driven police chief as completely ignored the demands and shoved a few more CCTV cameras on lamp posts.

It shows you how things were before radio communications that a copper on the beat could simply use his whistle to get assistance from another copper! There must have been hundreds roaming the streets. It is my belief that each copper on the beat or even police car parked up creates a wide circle of fear amongst lawbreakers. In the old days villains were never really sure that a copper would walk around the corner at any time. Even when I was young they seemed to be everywhere, whether it was on my scooter of later my car, I was routinely questioned probably once a month. If you were a villain at that time, you'd really have to worry about getting stopped and a copper looking in your boot.

Nowdays a villain knows 100% that there is no copper nearby. He knows he can happily kick someone to death or rob a house and even if someone dials 999, it will take at least 20 minutes for a copper to arrive or in the case of burglary 3 days!

Over here I haven't been stopped in the last 25 years.

Well it has been going on since 1966 when Roy Jenkins began the nationalisation of the police and the gradual withdrawal of police from the beat.