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The recent atrocity allegedly committed by a US servicemen on a family of Afghans brings to mind the film I recently watched by Brian De Palma, called, "Redacted". It bombed at the box office because, "It portrayed US troops in a negative light". The scenario of the film, ie gung ho, bored trigger happy American troops, itching to kill someone appears to be identical to what happened the other night, where a soldier left the barracks at night, fully armed without any questions being asked. In the film 5 or so do the same thing and one of them enters a home and massacres the occupants, including women and children.

'... allegedly...'? I dont think even Fox 'News' are suggesting it was anybody but a US serviceman.

Pity he didn't take more ammo.....

I've seen the same fiulm Jim. Big fan of Brian DePalma (Scarface and Carlitos Way)

Felt awful for him that he was accused of being a traitor to his own country and threatened with charges of sedition for dare making the movie he did. Its as if the US are suggesting they are the only ones on the side of good and the enemy cannot show compassion which I htink was a masterstroke on Roman Polanskis part with The Pianist and Spielberg for Schindlers list

DePalma made the same point with a Vietnam war film Casualties Of War with Sean Penn and Michael J Fox which I thought was really harrowing and involved the rape and murder of a vietnamese girl who was thrown off a cliff like rubbish when they finished violating her beyond humanity. Dont let that put anyone off though, its a really strong film.

Its obvious DePalma is anti war in his stance because as he says in the extras that the men are not old enough to emotionally deal with the thjings they have seen and are not given proper counselling to deal with it later when they come back from the war.

I think he makes a good point.

This can also be applied to immigration. We acept a ot fo people from these war torn countries, therefore should we be too surprised they are willing to kill when caught in the act of crimes like burglary? The two most recent cases involving the murder of an elderly couple in Wolverhampton was by a young polish lad who is now doing a life sentence and the other one, a Lithuanian hung himself.

I could go on about the gang rape of a girl whose mobile was stolen and she was contacted to get it back and subsequently raped. Those boys should know there is a mad irishman former bare knuckle fighter who is her dad waiting for them when they get out

By his actions he has made it even more likely that his comrades in any of the NATO contingents will face more danger. As for your vile wish that he should have killed more innocent civilians, its about the most worthless and inhumane comment I have ever read from anyone on here and that is saying something.

Jim Slip,

The soldier was part of Special Forces "Green Berets"detachment stationed in the village to get better relations with that village's leaders. There could dozens of reason why noone said, anything to the soldier. The soldier probably just lost his nerve, and then he killed alot of innocent women and children. The base the soldier is stationed at in the U.S. is Joint Base Lewis Mcchord. That base has had ton problems over the last several years.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/ma ... sfeed=true

There is always a tendency among troops and especially American
ones, to be gung-ho, fire first and ask questions later. The problem is
also partly one of lack of education among squaddies. America is such
a vast insulated country, immensely and foolishly proud of its own
culture, that the basic private soldier, sent to somewhere so vastly
different as Afghanistan, quickly views the "other culture" and its people
as something to be despised (somewhat like the killing squads of the
SS viewing Jews as "dreck" and "untermensch" sub-humans). Its then
that the rot sets in.
Based on Arginald Valleywater`s reply this dumb and dangerous attitude
to civilians in Third World cultures is just as likely among British troops,
though I like to think our lads, coming from a Europe filled with lots of
races, cultures and history, are a bit more sophisticated (though not
Arginald)

andy at handiwork wrote:

> '... allegedly...'? I dont think even Fox 'News' are suggesting
> it was anybody but a US serviceman.

I used the word "allegedly" in the event that a charge of murder is made and the defendent argues in his defence, that he was threatened by one of the children who was holding a water pistol in a threatening manner, so he had no choice but to "Fill 'em full 'o lead!"

Naturally this would be of great mitigagory significance and the defendant could possibly be given a caution and lose one of his stripes!

As the defence could argue to the panel, "What would you do, if you found yourself in a house full of rag heads, late at night, with only your M16 and a full clip and some little dude pokes a straw at you from under the bed sheet?...........you gonna waste 'em, ya'll, you gonna waste 'em good!"

Plan B. Get all foreign troops out of the rat infested hovel. Wall it in and let them have as much free ammo as poss. After 5 years Allah will have had his way and they will all be punished by his infinite wisdom and Colonel Kalashnikov's finest invention. Bring the boys home and defend the UK against the home bred radicals and anyone else who interrupts the British way of life. Rule Britannia.

frankthring



Your're comparing us to the SS? Someone needs to look up military history for war crimes. Its a war crime, but a billion times less then what the SS did in WWII. Incidents like this will always happen. For all you who haven't serviced in combat its probably the most stressful job in inexcistence. The soldier serviced in Iraq for 3 tours, and was servicing his first tour in Afghanistan, so the guy just lost it. Its 1, of 91,000 U.S. troops servicing in Afghanistan. The vast majority of our soldiers aren't "gun ho". They know even if the military clears them of incidents, they still may face charges form a civilian court. We have 93 U.S. district courts. The White House almost never interferes with one of its 93 U.S. Attorney political appointees. And they've sent the FBI to Iraq and Afghanistan to collect evidence against soldiers for trials in the past.