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blame for the riots and the assorted other many, many problems our society has.

But isnt this a little rich though when the blame (i believe) lies at the doors of the Tory or should i say the Thatcherite creatures during the 70s and 80s.

They removed the concept of moral/social responsilbility from the country (no such thing as society only the individual) and made these ideas a dirty word.

So now when the media whores/footballers and other assorted scumbags are held aloft as role models he blames them when surely thet are just the bastard offspring of maggie and her ilk.

Gentleman discuss.

I always remember a speech in which Maggie talked about the parable of the Good Samaritan who stops to help someone by the roadside.

Her argument, bless her capitalist socks, was that unless the Good Samaritan had had some "brass" he would have been unable to help. In other words if you haven't got money, you are useless scumbag, a failure.

And I don't think that attitude has changed in the Tories of today in terms of their concpet of the feckless, underserving poor.

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And of course 13 years of New Labour had absolutely no effect on the erosion of our basic , cultural, values? For example Christmas Day has now become no more than an interruption to shopping and sales during their reign.

I also heard that although NL deristricted shop opening hours, they didn't protect the workers from now being expected to work on Public Holidays for normal rates of pay. NL always there to make sure nothing stands in the way of Big Business, oh and fuck the working man, oh unless of course he works in the Public Sector and shop workers don't, so they mean fuck all to NL.

Thatcher might have lit the pyre of our cultural heritage and social values, but New Labour poured aviation fuel on them to ensure that they were completely and utterly destroyed, by the time they left the smouldering ruin that is now our country.

I noticed Macdonalds now has a, "Festive" range of different dishes, so as not to cause offence. I wonder how long it will be before Christmas Day is renamed, "Festive Day."

The reason for the riots is the ever widening gap between the rich and poor, when young people can see no future for themselves they will take to the streets listen to what this guy has to say.

!ya"I noticed Macdonalds now has a, "Festive" range of different dishes, so as not to cause offence. I wonder how long it will be before Christmas Day is renamed, "Festive Day."

Where's Max Tranmere when you need him? Or maybe Max has taken over Jim Slip.

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I agree with what you say jim but the only true thing thing about "new labour" was/is the word "new" only as far as new goverment unfortunately they were/are just the tory party.

Iain Duncan Smith has embraced celebrity culture by allowing himself to be referred to as IDS in an attempt to appear more contemporary and relevant.

Spot on Wayne.

[quote]I noticed Macdonalds now has a, "Festive" range of different dishes, so as not to cause offence.[/quote]

I don't believe that. I believe the 'festive' moniker is to INCLUDE all types of people rather than to not give offence. It's a bit like how Thanks Giving became so popular in America, because it includes all religions. And yet again I have to mention this: The Quran mentions Jesus more times than Mohammed. Muslims have no problem with Jesus or Christmas......well, they don't believe he's the son of god but luckily Christmas isn't about that. There's nothing in the Muslim faith that forbids Muslims celebrating Christ's birth.

The trouble with the media is that they just need one single Muslim out of a million to say he/she's offended by Christmas, then all of a sudden he/she is the sole spokesperson for that million and ALL Muslims suddenly hate Christmas. I'd have thought you clever enough to see through this bollocks.

Just needs to be picked up by the corporations



Festivus is a secular holiday celebrated on December 23 as a way to celebrate the holiday season without participating in its pressures and commercialism.It was created by writer Dan O'Keefe and introduced into popular culture by his son Daniel, a screenwriter for the TV show Seinfeld, as part of a comical storyline on the show. The holiday's celebration, as shown on Seinfeld, includes an unadorned aluminum "Festivus pole", practices such as the "Airing of Grievances" and "Feats of Strength", and the labeling of easily explainable events as "Festivus miracles". Celebrants of the holiday sometimes refer to it as "a Festivus for the rest of us", a saying taken from the O'Keefe family traditions and popularized in the Seinfeld episode to describe Festivus' non-commercial aspect.

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