Has porn really hijacked our sexuality?

[one eyed jack]

I'm sure some of you have heard of Gail Dines and will probably spit venom at the mention of her name but does she really have a point in some of the things she has to say?

Her book is coming out in November so you can expect the timing of the media to coincide with the big fat sweaty finger pointed at us sleazy porno producing baby eating monsters called porn producers and its consumers

The formidable thing about Ms Dines where others have failed is that she has raised some good points that even producers in the US had to remain silent because they couldnt answer to her rhetoric

Thing is, like many other academics, her whole basis for attacking the business is about the money that is being made.

I think this argument will fall on deaf ears since everyone doing content shares these days without huge returns in revenue indicates otherwise

So...

Has porn culture hijacked our sexuality?

[Gusset Sniffer]

Thing is, like many other academics, her whole basis for attacking the business is about the money that is being made.

Errrrrrrr She is making money from porn by writing a book about it !tut!

[one eyed jack]

And the weekend courses she charges $1500 for. What these courses involve is anyone's guess but If i had to blow that kind of money on a weekend it certainly wouldn't be wasted on a silly war against porn.

I don't like Eastenders or Big Brother but I ain't waging a war against that either !happy!

[planeterotica]

Gail Dines and other porn knockers will win over an audiences purely because of the ease of obtaining porn these days when you only have to turn on your comp and there it is.

In the days of Mary Whitehouse and Lord Longford you had to go out of your way to obtain porn;

And yes she is making money indirectly from porn as does Anna Richardson who fronts C4 Sex Education Show no doubt she gets paid well for her efforts, which include knocking porn but showing kids graphic images which would need a R18 rating to distribute on DVD.

Nothing wrong with mainstream porn its probably the best form of sex education going, what can be wrong with showing a couple making love its natural and none of us would be here without it and i dont see how Gail Dines could counter that argument, but no doubt she would try !wink!

[Gusset Sniffer]

Same strange shit from this women.

One of the main reasons why interracial porn is so popular with white men, which is the main consumer base, is if pornography is about the dehumanization of women, what better way to dehumanize a white woman in the eyes of white men than to see her being penetrated over and over by something they view as depraved, the black male body?

?Porn is not something that stands outside of us: it is deeply embedded in our structures, identities, and relationships. This did not happen overnight, and there is a story to tell about how we got to the point that mainstream Internet porn has become so hateful and cruel? the majority of pornography is now based on either on women?s humiliation (encouraging coeds to flash on Girls Gone Wild) or their degradation (the work of Max Hardcore, a pornographer now spending time in jail for obscenity), and the ?women of porn world seem to enjoy having sex with men who express nothing but contempt and hatred for them, and often the greater the insults, the better orgasms for all involved. This is an uncomplicated world where women don?t need equal pay, health care, day care, retirement plans ? It is a world filled with one dimensional women who are nothing more than collections of holes? (xxiv). And that world, now, Dines says, is everywhere: more rapes and sexual assaults, more feelings of inadequacy and shame, and less intimacy and equity among men and women.

Dines cites a psychotherapist who counsels child molesters, many of whom became attracted to children after too much exposure to adult pornography left them desensitized. ?Research on pedophilia does not point to a model of two clearly defined groups (pedophile and nonpedophiles); rather, there is a continuum: some men are clearly situated at either end, but others are scattered at various points? (160). That much of gonzo porn re-creates the techniques used by pedophiles only heightens her concern.

[Gusset Sniffer]

Jacqui Smith, the former Home Secretary, has told a Parliamentary Inquiry that online pornography should be made harder to access in Britain, but that the ?quid pro quo? for helping the industry to remain profitable might be that it could help fund sex education programmes for children.

Mrs Smith, who lost her seat at the last election and was embroiled in a scandal after she inadvertently filed an expenses claim for her husband?s adult movies, was addressing Parliament?s Public Inquiry into Online Child Protection.

She said that the online pornography industry ?is not illegal, and it is being impacted by free and unregulated content on the internet?. She proposed that if all adult content were only accessible to customers who specifically opted in to it through their internet service providers, then the adult industry might see its profits improved. Online porn has suffered economically in the wake of free YouTube-style sites.

Helping the legal, paid-for adult industry might ?provide some leverage?, Mrs Smith said, to address the increasing sexualisation of children.

?What I argue is that there is a quid pro quo,? she added after the inquiry. ?If there are restrictions put on to what people can see, that will have a beneficial effect on the industry. If government or ISPs put in place restrictions that does enable the mainstream industry to [recover economically], that would be the point at which you could apply pressure.?

Mrs Smith was keen to stress that she did not propose limiting or censoring legal pornography, but that she wanted to make sure only people who were allowed to see it could do so. ?I genuinely don?t think mainstream pornographers want young people to see their material because it risks limiting what they can make for adults,? she said. She conceded that her proposal may be technically challenging.

The former Home Secretary added, however, that the adult industry was already in a parlous state and that it would be unlikely to be able to fund education programmes at the moment. She said that although the chances of her proposals coming to fruition are ?not great,? ?there are reasonable people in the porn industry?.

Inquiry chair Claire Perry MP said that Mrs Smith?s proposals would rely on the adult industry?s sense of corporate social responsibility. The committee will take evidence from ISPs next month.

[one eyed jack]

Thats my point, she is articulate with her "blind them with science" approach and probably why she will win a legion of followers who may well be guilty consumers of porn feeling justification by signing up with the anti porn crusade.

I think those for porn wil be in the majority but they wont stand up and be counted for the shame associated with it.

For many, the consumption of porn is a highly personal affair.

[one eyed jack]

that it (the porn industry) could help fund sex education programmes for children

Er, yeah, what does she think we've been doing all this time? !happy!

Any teacher feeling awkward can just put on a porn tape, say "there you go", light up a cigarette and look wistfully out the window as the kids watch the "birds and the bees" in action and maybe stop by saying, "but anal sex is not the norm in a loving relationship...Unless youre girlfriend is a kinky bitch" before resuming smoking.

Easy peasy

[one eyed jack]

Thanks for that last post Gusset Sniffer.

I think AITA (Adult Industry Trade Association www.aita.co.uk) deserve credit for their involvement in not just putting a face on the adult industry but showing that a majority of us are self regulating by our attitudes to how we do this business and also willing to educate her to how the business really works.

Up to this point, those against porn in the government couldn't differentiate previews on tours from tube sites when it came to free porn

All too little too late with the advent of ATVOD in place but still if it wasnt for AITA I doubt Jacqui Smith would have arrived at the conclusion that she did.

After all, she did admit to being ignorant to how the business was having never seen a porn film in her life,proving that, if you really wanted to, you could avoid pornography if you wanted to.

[planeterotica]

one eyed jack wrote:

>"but anal sex is not the norm in a loving
> relationship...Unless youre girlfriend is a kinky bitch" before
> resuming smoking.
>
> planeterotica wrote:
>
> Or unless its a gay relationship which schools are now being told to promote as normal, i expect most MPs would loudly voice against anal sex being shown as sex education, just before they go off Badger watching !wink!