So some guy gets shot dead by the police.He had by all accounts known he was being followed 'by the feds' having texted his bird.A non police firearm and bullet is found at the scene.Also an officer who had been fired at.The IPCC,Coroner and police will investigate the circumstances.Not good enough some say.Feckless black youths are seen looting local shops,smashing and burning property in protest at the 'police execution'.
The black community in North London deserve better than the brothers rolled out trying to justify events.Inner city black youths have been bleating on for years about how disadvantaged they are..Sorry , you carry a loaded handgun in the back of a taxi and fire it at police you deserve anything going.How come having a black skin makes this not so?
Attempt murder of cop by black gangsta
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tommy dickfingers
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Re: Attempt murder of cop by black gangsta
all of the excuses are coming out now,tory government,poverty,it says everything about the people who are carrying out this criminality that they are destroying the whole infrastructure and shops that they rely on!,what would have been the reaction if the police officer had been killed a big street party.
Re: Attempt murder of cop by black gangsta
The sad irony is that those protestors-cum-rioters, ostensibly mourning the death of Duggan following a shoot out, are "shooting first, asking questions later", given they know little - if fuck all - of the circumstances and context surrounding his death.
It's a distorted, contorted tribal identity thing: they respect(ed) Duggan just about as much as we do. But just watch those crocodile tears roll!
It's a distorted, contorted tribal identity thing: they respect(ed) Duggan just about as much as we do. But just watch those crocodile tears roll!
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David Johnson
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Loads of issues here
First there is absolutely no excuse for what happened in Tottenham last night. Looting and arson in which innocent people have been made homeless, businesses destroyed and people's lives put at risk as they slept, has little to do with the rights and wrongs of someone being shot.
Having said that, I find it amazing that the police who knew a demonstration was planned yesterday, could do so little to stop the arson and rioting even to the point that looting was going on at 6-7am in the following morning. This was a situation in which the lives of people living in flats above looted, burning buildings were definitely at risk and for all we know, lives could have been lost and the police seemed totally powerless to control it.
Secondly, as far as I am aware, the vast majority of riots in Britain in the last 30 years have taken place under Tory governments. Tory government appears to equal high youth unemployment, feelings of hopelessness, attacks on benefits and community charities etc etc. It would be foolish to think that this has no effect. The Educational Maintenance Allowance used to help kids stay in education has all but disappeared. The Future Jobs Fund which gave kids some experience of work has been disbanded. Thousands of charities and community groups have folded because their funding has disappeared. Youth unemployment has soared to above 20%. You can't even try and persuade disadvantaged kids to do a degree in order to improve their chances in an environment where it now costs in many cases ?27K in fees alone, and then they see many graduates working in bars etc to eke out a living or even worse working for nothing as interns.
I suspect the Tottenham riots will be the first of many, if the government does not change course.
Cheers
D
Having said that, I find it amazing that the police who knew a demonstration was planned yesterday, could do so little to stop the arson and rioting even to the point that looting was going on at 6-7am in the following morning. This was a situation in which the lives of people living in flats above looted, burning buildings were definitely at risk and for all we know, lives could have been lost and the police seemed totally powerless to control it.
Secondly, as far as I am aware, the vast majority of riots in Britain in the last 30 years have taken place under Tory governments. Tory government appears to equal high youth unemployment, feelings of hopelessness, attacks on benefits and community charities etc etc. It would be foolish to think that this has no effect. The Educational Maintenance Allowance used to help kids stay in education has all but disappeared. The Future Jobs Fund which gave kids some experience of work has been disbanded. Thousands of charities and community groups have folded because their funding has disappeared. Youth unemployment has soared to above 20%. You can't even try and persuade disadvantaged kids to do a degree in order to improve their chances in an environment where it now costs in many cases ?27K in fees alone, and then they see many graduates working in bars etc to eke out a living or even worse working for nothing as interns.
I suspect the Tottenham riots will be the first of many, if the government does not change course.
Cheers
D
I just knew it would happen
I just knew David Johnson would use last nights riot to have a pop at the Torie goverment. I'm just surprised that it wasn't David that started the thread in the first place.
This riot had nothing to do with politics, it was all down to the local thugs hanging on the back of a peaceful march so that they could cause trouble.
It is rent-a-mob mentallity.
Everyone should know by now that David Johnson condones all types of trouble and violence against authority when anyone but Labour are in power.
This riot had nothing to do with politics, it was all down to the local thugs hanging on the back of a peaceful march so that they could cause trouble.
It is rent-a-mob mentallity.
Everyone should know by now that David Johnson condones all types of trouble and violence against authority when anyone but Labour are in power.
Wrong on student fees David
David
You seem an educated man, but you are wrong on the remark above about student fees.
You should have a look at the following that will show that in most cases you will have to pay less back under the new system then you did under the old system.
No doubt you will throw back some stats that the press and media have plucked out of thin air, but at least read the whole page.
Thanks
You seem an educated man, but you are wrong on the remark above about student fees.
You should have a look at the following that will show that in most cases you will have to pay less back under the new system then you did under the old system.
No doubt you will throw back some stats that the press and media have plucked out of thin air, but at least read the whole page.
Thanks
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David Johnson
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Bernard
"This riot had nothing to do with politics, it was all down to the local thugs hanging on the back of a peaceful march so that they could cause trouble.
It is rent-a-mob mentallity."
I clearly do not dispute that a lot of what went on was the action of local thugs. However, given the current onslaught on the less well off in society perpetrated by the Tories, you are more likely to get mindless, thuggish reactions like the one seen last night triggered by an isolated event.
Whether you like it or not, Tory government equalling more rioting in Britain is an indisputable fact over the last 30 years.
"Everyone should know by now that David Johnson condones all types of trouble and violence against authority when anyone but Labour are in power."
This is clearly nonsense and plainly, a very stupid remark, Bernard.
If you had bothered to read my post with any kind of care whatsoever, I said
"First there is absolutely no excuse for what happened in Tottenham last night. Looting and arson in which innocent people have been made homeless, businesses destroyed and people's lives put at risk as they slept, has little to do with the rights and wrongs of someone being shot. "
Instead of your predictable knee jerk misunderstanding of my post, maybe you should give some thought as to why there have been so many more major riots in Britain under the Tories in the last 30 years.
Any ideas, Bernard?
Cheers
D
It is rent-a-mob mentallity."
I clearly do not dispute that a lot of what went on was the action of local thugs. However, given the current onslaught on the less well off in society perpetrated by the Tories, you are more likely to get mindless, thuggish reactions like the one seen last night triggered by an isolated event.
Whether you like it or not, Tory government equalling more rioting in Britain is an indisputable fact over the last 30 years.
"Everyone should know by now that David Johnson condones all types of trouble and violence against authority when anyone but Labour are in power."
This is clearly nonsense and plainly, a very stupid remark, Bernard.
If you had bothered to read my post with any kind of care whatsoever, I said
"First there is absolutely no excuse for what happened in Tottenham last night. Looting and arson in which innocent people have been made homeless, businesses destroyed and people's lives put at risk as they slept, has little to do with the rights and wrongs of someone being shot. "
Instead of your predictable knee jerk misunderstanding of my post, maybe you should give some thought as to why there have been so many more major riots in Britain under the Tories in the last 30 years.
Any ideas, Bernard?
Cheers
D
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David Johnson
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Re: Wrong on student fees David
"You should have a look at the following that will show that in most cases you will have to pay less back under the new system then you did under the old system."
So the proposition you would have us believe Bernard is that under the new tuition fee system arising out of staggering cuts to education spending introduced by the Tories, students will be better off. If this were true then all the government would have to do to make people a lot better off would be to cut public expenditure in everything by a huge amount. Halve benefits and the unemployed would be better off!
A very interesting theory, Bernard, but not very convincing!
I and the vast majority of students are not convinced by the above argument.
The "pay less back" presumably refers to the section in your link which states
"Many wrongly believe that due to the higher tuition fees, people will have less money in their pockets each month than currently. At the moment graduates repay 9% of everything above ?15,000, yet for 2012 starters that threshold will increases to ?21,000 ? meaning lower repayments ? so those earning above the ?21,000 threshold will have ?540-a-year more in their pockets than now? a chart should help.
Presumably you will also have read the following section which states "The flip-side of people repaying less due to the higher ?21,000 threshold is that it will take much longer to pay off the loan. And this is compounded by the fact the original debt is bigger and the interest rate higher."
The bottom line is that the government has pulled the plug on the majority of its funding of higher education and the students are being asked to replace that funding at their cost. Despite the possibilities of bursaries etc etc, a lot of people just look at the bottom line with the average cost of a course being around ?8500 a year. A huge millstone around kids' necks.
Cheers
D
So the proposition you would have us believe Bernard is that under the new tuition fee system arising out of staggering cuts to education spending introduced by the Tories, students will be better off. If this were true then all the government would have to do to make people a lot better off would be to cut public expenditure in everything by a huge amount. Halve benefits and the unemployed would be better off!
A very interesting theory, Bernard, but not very convincing!
I and the vast majority of students are not convinced by the above argument.
The "pay less back" presumably refers to the section in your link which states
"Many wrongly believe that due to the higher tuition fees, people will have less money in their pockets each month than currently. At the moment graduates repay 9% of everything above ?15,000, yet for 2012 starters that threshold will increases to ?21,000 ? meaning lower repayments ? so those earning above the ?21,000 threshold will have ?540-a-year more in their pockets than now? a chart should help.
Presumably you will also have read the following section which states "The flip-side of people repaying less due to the higher ?21,000 threshold is that it will take much longer to pay off the loan. And this is compounded by the fact the original debt is bigger and the interest rate higher."
The bottom line is that the government has pulled the plug on the majority of its funding of higher education and the students are being asked to replace that funding at their cost. Despite the possibilities of bursaries etc etc, a lot of people just look at the bottom line with the average cost of a course being around ?8500 a year. A huge millstone around kids' necks.
Cheers
D
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max_tranmere
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RIP London...
London is likely to get more violent as a result of this. After the Brixton riots in 1981 politically-correct policing policies were introduced, after the Stephen Lawrence issue in the 1990's even more were introduced, now there will be yet more. The Police are going to walk on egg-shells around the black community to an even greater extent following this riot last night than they previously did.
London used to be a very safe city, I have lived here all my life, and we used to be the envy of urban America. London is now more dangerous than New York and it 's going to get even worse now. For many years people in the USA fled the urban areas to the gated communties in the suberbs. I can see that happening here now.
Why on earth are there such things as poltically-correct policing policies? Why are people scared to speak the truth? If it's a fact that most muggers in London are young black men then it is hardly surprising the Police stop and search more young black men than anyone else. What are they supposed to do, go after the Chinese community or something?
But no if the Police stop and search more young black men than anyone else, the Police are 'racist', right? If Policitians say that the majoirty of muggers in London are black, then they are 'racist' too, right? I can't stand all this PC bullshit. There are real victims that come about because of this.
London used to be a very safe city, I have lived here all my life, and we used to be the envy of urban America. London is now more dangerous than New York and it 's going to get even worse now. For many years people in the USA fled the urban areas to the gated communties in the suberbs. I can see that happening here now.
Why on earth are there such things as poltically-correct policing policies? Why are people scared to speak the truth? If it's a fact that most muggers in London are young black men then it is hardly surprising the Police stop and search more young black men than anyone else. What are they supposed to do, go after the Chinese community or something?
But no if the Police stop and search more young black men than anyone else, the Police are 'racist', right? If Policitians say that the majoirty of muggers in London are black, then they are 'racist' too, right? I can't stand all this PC bullshit. There are real victims that come about because of this.