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Right wing labour is putting the party of business. They have lost the 3rd safest labour seat in country tonight in glasgow, Brown needs to go and labour need a tradtional labour guy in there to fight the next election,new right wing labour is finished.

Ah yes, 'left wing' Labour. In opposition for more than two-thirds of its life.

Labour since 1997 has been the most successful progressive government since the Liberal landslide of 1906!

This is a blip- and a rethink is required on some issues. But the unions need to remember that although wanted, they do not dictate policy or run the party.

What is needed is a progressive Labour government, working with Liberals Greens and Progressive-Independents in a government of the talents to defeat the Tories and their Nationalist chummies.

Don't be led astray by siren voices from the past.

>successful

Obviously some new definition of the word "successful" that I am not aware of. (To paraphrase Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy).

Successful at controlling immigration?

Successful at reducing crime (despite what Jacqui Smith said in parliament last week)?

Succesful and keeping taxes down?

Successful at keeping benefit fraud down?

Successful at putting some money aside during the "good times" to help during the "bad times" (like now).

Successful at limiting the number of people from the EU who can come here and work? (other countries set a limit on people frm Poland etc - we did not)

Successful at giving the "kids" something to do so they dont walk the streets drunk and drugged, stabbing and mugging people.

This labout government have been the worst EVER. If the public wanted to elect a party to ruin this country they could not have made a better choice than voting nu labour in in 1997.

The country may NEVER recover.

To be fair, they have been successful at establishing a surveillance society, with ubiquitous CCTV, speed cameras, ANPR cameras, a database for all children, a database for all NHS patients, a database of all phone calls and texts, and the exciting prospect of the National Identity Register and ID card. Vote Labour, because the innocent have nothing to fear.

Guilbert wrote:

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> This labout government have been the worst EVER. If the public
> wanted to elect a party to ruin this country they could not
> have made a better choice than voting nu labour in in 1997.
>
> The country may NEVER recover.
>


I'm still waiting for us to recover from the destruction of this country overseen by Thatcher, the Mad Monk et al.

While that government may have decreased income tax rates for the super-rich, they increased VAT significantly.

In 1979, the UK had a Zero Rate, a Basic Rate of 12.5 per cent charged on "luxury" items and a reduced rate of 8 per cent charged on most other goods and services. When the Conservatives came to power that year, Geoffrey Howe increased both of these to a single rate of 15 per cent. VAT remained at 15 per cent until 1991, when Norman Lamont increased it to 17.5 per cent. This step was intended to provide revenue for the "Community Charge Reduction Scheme", aimed at assisting local authorities suffering from the fall-out of massive levels of defaulting on the "poll tax". The March Budget of 1993 saw Lamont propose the phased introduction of VAT on domestic heating and fuel (at 8 per cent for 1994, and 17.5 per cent for 1995).

For those of you whining on about how fuel duty is a stealth tax, it is nothing compared to what the Tories did with VAT.

... and don't get me started on the privatisations of the TSB, gas, electricity. BT etc., and the squandering of all the money raised by those sales.

What about the sale of council houses? Not an idea I'd be wholly against, if a person had lived there for a certain period of time, but to refuse councils to use that revenue to build new housing stock was a fucking disgrace!!!

Remember inflation at 26% and over 3 million unemployed? Remember whole communities being wiped out as every major employer in the town closed down, along with all the support structure? Remember the police being used as Thatcher's own private army? If you think things are bad now, you don't know you're born!

As you are clearly a Tory plant, i think we can discount your entire post. Thank you for wasting your time today.

I'm a Labour voter,and even I think it's time for change.....wheather,move to the left or something else......the Tories would be a move to the right and that would be even worse though...Blair got out at the right time...

It's time for a change, yes- but a move to the left is a move to 18 years of opposition again.

I hope the unions at today's conference realise this.

What! Not more tax and spend, Borrowing money to throw at the public sector whilst not enforcing any form of efficiency.
Brilliant idea!