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Yeah but Steve, the police are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

They HAVE TO act on intelligence and yes, there will be fuck-ups from time to time.

But all those who are so quick to condemn the police when they get it wrong would be equally quick to condemn them for doing fuck-all if a bomb was to go off somewhere and it turned out that they HADN'T acted on tip-offs. It's the classic "no-win" situation that they're in.

Anyway, just because this pair was released without charge doesn't NECESSARILY mean that they were innocent: It simply means that the police were unable to find any solid evidence agains them and so had to relase them.

Of course, these two are now crying "FOUL!" (no doubt in the hope of trousering a few grand in "compensation" for good measure) and the touchy-feely types from the "human rights" lobby are up in arms about it all as well.

But the whole thing is a sad result of the climate of fear that prevails nowadays, unfortunately. And you can blame the terrorists for that, not the police. Plus, today's Islamic extremists are in a different league to the likes of the IRA back in the 70s and 80s in terms of the scale of mass murder they're out to commit, with the possibility weapons of mass destruction added to the equation as well. The security services simply can't afford to take any chances.

I agree with Flat Eric.

As long as those who fucked up are held accountable it's a case of things happen. They shouldn't but in reality they do.

What's noticeable is that the media couldn't wait to announce the fuck ups and used the term the Muslim brothers not just the brothers suspected of terrorism have been released and I blame them & the human rights lobby for a lot of the problems.

If there has been a number of plots stopped by the Police why aren't these given the same media coverage?

What also concerned me was in the news conference of the victims was the very clear prompting by someone next to the youngest brother who was very clearly using 'media' friendly terms.

The other concern I have about this post is that it will be used to have a go at the Police (which is why it was probably posted) or those who actually have sympathy for the job they have to do by insulting them as being racist.

Flat_Eric wrote:

> Yeah but Steve, the police are damned if they do and damned if
> they don't.

Yeah - damned if they shoot or beat up innocent people and damned if they don't. LOL

I agree the police aren't really to blame though... Blair has followed the American lead and spread the lie that we face a massive, global terrorist enemy, and the police have to play the game or they'll lose all their shiny new powers and increased budgets. It's not their fault that Britain's not really full of terrorists determined to murder us all in our beds.

One day someone will just admit that we face the same level of threat that we have done for the past 50 years, and the police will be able to stop desperately searching for ricin plots, chemical weapons, etc.

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As if they just go around shooting and beating up innocent people for the fun of it. It isn't like that and I think you know it.

Easy for you to sit there and mock self-righteously, safe and sound at home behind your PC, secure and smug in the knowledge that it's some other bugger and not you out there at the sharp end, facing a suspect who may or not be armed & dangerous, with only a split second to decide what to do.


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This from the man who thinks that 9/11 was all some sinister CIA plot. Nuff said.

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Britain doesn't need to be "full of terrorists".

All it takes is a very small group of fanatics to spread death, destruction and mayhem on a scale far disproportionate to their numbers.

Just ask the victims of IRA bombings, or - more recently and more relavant to this particular thread - the relatives and survivors of 7/7.

I suppose though that you'll be telling us next that 7/7 was all just a big conspiracy, cooked up by the Blairy Bunch and MI5 to "make Muslims look bad"?!

It would be intresting to know if the raid was based on police intelligence or security service intelligence. When the former Soviet Union collapsed the security services were made partly redundant. They muscled in on areas that used to be police territory, particularly Special Branch. This has led to resentments. Hardly surprising as SB were always more efficient than the Security Services.

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Dave that's a good point. From what I gather, the various security services collectively (regular police, Special Branch, MI5, MI6, Immigration) don't always work together and share information to the extent that they should, plus there seems to be a degree of inter-agency rivalry - so inevitably fuck-ups are going to occur from time to time (although as someone said above, their successes rarely get the same media attention as their cock-ups).

The Americans have much the same problem with all their various competing agencies - the CIA, FBI, Police, Homeland Security etc. etc.

Obviously the whole system needs looking at and - where faults are found - these need to be addresed. But at the same time it's far too easy, convenient and simplistic just to blame the police - especially the officers at the sharp end and their immediate mid-level commanders. They have a difficult job to do, and I sure as shit wouldn't want to trade places with any of them.

In the days of the cold war the Americans were always a bit reluctant to share too much information with the British Intelligence services MI5 & 6 etc because they thought there were elements within these organisations who were batting for the other side i.e. the Soviet Union. With Blunt, Philby, MacLean & Burgess they may have had a point.