London bombers - evidence.

[mart]

I'm not trying to stir up trouble but isn't it very strange that some of the bombers left evidence like addresses in their rucksacks?
I've always read how careful agents during WWll were not to carry anything incriminating in their pockets.
I suppose it was just plain sloppy training.

Mart

[Steve R]

How very right you are to mention this unusual aspect of recent events:

http://bgafd.co.uk/forum/read.php?f=3&i=73432&t=73432

[nachovx]

Isn't the reason behind it is that they want to die and become a Muslim martyr - so they want all their fellow extremists to know and be proud of who they are while they're being greeted and forgiven by god for blowing up women & children ... and presented with their reward of 27 virgins and the life of riley (or should that be Allah) in paradise. These people have had their minds warped and the need to hide their identity ends at the end of their mission.

[Steve R]

What if they were to be apprehended before carrying out their sacred mission?.

Would not the carrying of ID then be disastrous?.

[nachovx]

We need to go down the French route ... last year they expelled 14 Imams for being too extreme and have locked up another 1200, they've got the Muslim community in lockdown and aren't able to step out of line very easily. France have Europe's largest Muslim community, some 5M .... and they are making it very clear, if you want to live in France you'll live the way we want you to - they banned Muslims wearing headscarves for school last year to let it be seen they are in control and not the minorities. With only 1.6M we could implement a policy like this without too much bother and Muslims should be the ones forced to carry ID at all times and be subject to random stop and search.

[mart]

Do I detect a slightly patronising tone?
Yes, I did read that but I thought it worth bringing up again in the light of the latest news.

Mart

[Steve R]

mart wrote:

> Do I detect a slightly patronising tone?
> Yes, I did read that but I thought it worth bringing up again
> in the light of the latest news.

On the contrary.

I am merely pleased that I am, clearly, no longer considered a 'conspiracy theorist'.

[Bob Singleton]

nachovx wrote:

SNIP

... they banned Muslims wearing headscarves for school last year to let it be seen they are in control and not the minorities.

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Actually the French government banned the overt use of religious symbols, which didn't just affect Muslims, but Christians, Jews etc. While a mainly Catholic country, the State is secular, as are state schools.

[nachovx]

Yes, that's how the law went through .... but it's main thrust was to ban the Islamic Headscarf, the 'other overt religious symbols' bit was just there to be 'fair' and they couldn't be accused of discrimination in a court of law. There's a report

[Bob Singleton]

That's a slightly skewed report from the BBC... "French MPs have voted by a massive majority to ban the Islamic headscarf and all other overt religious symbols from state schools."

A fairer report should have read "French MPs have voted by a massive majority to ban overt religious symbols from state schools."

The reason we all believe it was to essentially stop muslim headscarves, etc, is because muslim dress is far more "obvious" than most other religious dress in France. A headscarf is more noticeable than a scullcap or a crucifix, and the Muslim community seemed the most vociferous in it's opposition to the law.

However, if you had also seen French news reports (TV, radio and newspapers) you would realise that the Muslim element was over-hyped in this country. The head of the Catholic church in France went from studio to studio denouncing the new law, but this was never once mentioned in the British media.

The French state has had a running battle with the French Catholic church for as long as I remember, so this stamping down on overt religious symbols is nothing new.

Certainly the fact that Islam is now a major religion in France and that many Muslims are turning toward fundamentalism has hardened the positions of other religious groups.

The growth of hard-liners in all the major religions has made the state say "enough is enough!"