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Searching the net i found a website that has evidence that america's C.I.A are heavly involved with Bin Laden and his group of terrorist's and they knew in advanced of his plans to attack america and they sat back and let it happen.

How involved is the UK government with USA government and will we ever know the truth now.
Always seems that when there is a war there more money coming into the countrys war makes the ecomony strong i think that's what they believe.....leave to you to make your own mind up but i do think there more to this than we know or have been told also believe our pm is guilty in the hutton enquiry.

And how this government betrayed david kelly by saying his name would not be disclosed and they did the opposite that's a typical of the usa government say one thing a do another.

Ok no problem Bimmercat but you talking about fuck ups when the Usa Forces are involved it's a total fuck up coz they shoot first and ask questions later.

One of my neighbours down below has worked along side the american force when he was in the British forces and he said there so high and almighty they behave like there in the movies e.g John Wayne. And like i said shoot first and think about it later he said he is glad he doesn't have to work with screw up like that again.

Look at the news lately American soliders shooting ppl in iraq why what did they do where just in there way basically they don't care who is in there way.

At least the British Forces get it right more than American Forces and to be honest what where the us forces doing in Somalia seems like they must stick there noses into something that is not there concern.

Like i said Tony Blair has his head so far up George W Bush's arse he doesn't know what he's doing no more.

War on Iraq was not needed didn't they find weapons of mass destruction and when they sent the experts and they didn't find anything they made them go back in and look finding nothing so the governments ignored there report and carried on there war as they needed it to bring there economy's back up.

I don't mean to sound as though i'm against us forces but when my father work on a base once us soliders where there and they were begging him to get them sponsers to stay in uk as they hated usa and us forces and how they are treated he offered my father $1000,00 USD to stay.

I love Americans but i haven't met an american service man who has thrown it in our faces by saying who had to help brits out in the second world war blah blah american armed force are pig headed, arogant and gun ho.

In answer to the basic question of how far the UK is involved with the USA, the answer is MUCH TOO MUCH!!!



There seems to be plenty of evidence that the various security forces in the US (CIA, FBI etc) knew that a strike on the US itself was fairly imminent in the lead up to 9/11. While unsure of the specific targets, the logistics of carrying out such an operation meant that somewhere on the Eastern seaboard was the most likely target. Given that the nation's capital and it's biggest city and financial heart are to be found there, it shouldn't have been too difficult, even for an American, to work out where Al Queda might strike... after all, a few years earlier the WTC had already been targeted when a lorry packed with explosives detonated in one of the underground car parks causing a few deaths, many injuries and enough damage for part of the tower to be closed for a while for strengthening and repairs.

Equally, going back further in our combined history, the CIA also knew of Pan Am flight 103 SPECIFICALLY being a target, which is why many top American "diplomats" flying home for Christmas and the New Year were pulled off the flight only hours before it left Heathrow before exploding over Lockerbie. Furthermore, it is a well accepted amongst many even in the security services that the bombing was NOT instigated by Libya but by Iran. For a good source of information I would suggest you have a look at "Lockerbie: The True Story" published by Private Eye.


As for all those Americans who go on about how they saved us all in WWII, it may be of interest to them that Roosevelt was doing his best to stay out of the war in Europe. Indeed, after Pearl Harbour the US government was even more anxious to keep out of Europe, wishing to maximise the war effort against the Japanese. If Hitler, followed a few days later by Mussolini, hadn't declared war on the USA, there is strong evidence to suggest that the USA would never have declared war on the Axis powers.

For further proof of how little help we were given by our so-called friends, I suggest you also have a look at the lend-lease agreement... we got rusty old destroyers at a price well over the odds... but we paid up because we needed ships urgently. Also as part of that agreement, and something which sadly isn't as commonly known as I would like, we also agreed to "hand over" to the US any technological breakthroughs. The Americans never had to do too much ground-breaking work on the jet engine... that was down to Sir Frank Whittle... they were just given all the technological data for free!

Bimmercat wrote:

> You're really not making much sense. You're also not using
> complete sentances and using the tired old "yanks all act like
> John Wayne" argument.
>
> Your Iraq war statements make no sense either. Besides, how
> mant UN mandates does a crazy dictator have to ignore, before
> you'd see fit to send in your "faultless" British troops? 14 is
> not enough?
>
> If you cannot do better than this, I'll have to cease
> discussion on this thread.
>
> Sorry.
>
> - Bimmercat


So given that Israel has broken even more UN resolutions, I expect to see the US army rolling in any day now!! Oh no, I forgot... musn't upset the Jewish lobby!! And the US can grow it's own oranges, which let's face it don't help run gas-guzzling lumps of rust from the factories of Detroit!

Very interesting Bob some info i didn't know but it seems to some ppl that governments are pulling the wool over our eyes and getting away with to much.Maybe they should be exposed for what they are total frauds.

Pretty unlikely, BC---assuming there is one, and I hope there's not, the US will be slap bang in the middle of the next world war.

The west (and I include Britain, the US and the European Union in this) will need to be a little more consistent in its policies about unseating tyrants in future. It does seem that a tyrant sitting on oil wells will always be a viable target, while one burning farms and causing a famine in his own country, or someone who has dissidents in his own country beaten to death, is not---so long as there is no black gold in the picture.