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.......and of course the Right NEVER resort to such shoddy tactics: I find it a bit insulting that you think we're all incapable of taking what we see cum magno grano salis..........
And, apropos of nothing, I find the phrase 'from my cold, dead hands' an odd response to the gift of a musket. Wouldn't 'thankyou' have been a mite more apposite?

Why don't you read the FAQs and learn how to make URLs clickable?

Mart

Okay, this seems to be a detailed breakdown of the faults within the film---and there are apparently many of them. Not having done the research, I can only assume that the author of this piece has done his homework.

The point still remains, however: why isn't there a proper debate in the US on the subjects raised. Soundbites are fine and snappy for the news broadcasts, but there must be some serious programmes where people (politicians, industrialists, academics, lawyers) can explain what's going on and why. It's curious that in law, both in the US and in systems elsewhere around the world, a person giving evidence can be compelled to answer a question "yes" or "no," without being allowed to add a rider explaining circumstances, in order to score a point for the prosecution or defence; yet a journalist who tries to cut through the Newspeak bullshit of a public representative and get a simple yes/no answer to a simple question is called adversorial, difficult, abrasive, or some less than subtle hints are made about their political leanings. The politicians have a magic formula of words which will appear to answer a question without answering it, and they stick to it rather than being seen to give a commitment or promise. If Joe Public can be compelled to answer yes or no, why not these egotistical, power-hungry tossers?

And the really ironic thing about that is that many politicians (certainly in this country) are lawyers.

However well the film was constructed to give a particular message, and whatever you personally think of Moore (and in Stupid White Men he was up front about aiding Nader's campaign), it still raised questions and points that need addressing. Don't you think your country is capable of doing so, BC, or would you rather the "we know best" attitude of the powers that be continued? Blair is already beginning to follow the same road in this country ---and has the look of an unfairly kicked man whenever anyone dares to question his decisions of integrity. He may be certain of his own infallability; we can't be. Democracy should mean being informed before we make our decisions, no blindly following like disciples of a would-be messiah.

The world is a scary place. The decisions being made by the clowns in charge (CEOs of multinationals as well as politicians) will bring us grief ten or 20 years down the line. Maybe you're happy every four years to have the choice between two middle-aged white guys, but you deserve more than that.

Sorry if this rambled even more than usual

Never heard of the IRA Bimmercat. That's a pretty onesided view of Irish history.
Oh, here I go again. Why do I bother.

Mart

If it was as simple as giving the six counties back, we'd have done it decades ago; as it is, there was a strong lobbying campaign 20 years ago to get a super-big tug and tow the whole island to somewhere off the coast of Massachusetts so that we no longer had to send our troops out there to protect a nationalist and loyalist population that showed little if any gratitude.

Ireland should be one country. But as long as a sizeable number of people in the north want to be a part of the UK, their wishes have to be respected. You think Ireland's bad, we won't let Spain have Gibraltar---part of the Spanish mainland; and those in-bred, penguin shagging, non taxpaying, "we're British but don't want any British people to move here" Falkland Island bastards are still screwing the ordinary citizen of this country for every penny they can. All the benefits of being British without any of the disadvantages (apart from living within spitting distance of the Antarctic Circle).

Am I missing something here? I've read this thread of posts several times and cannot find any reference to 9/11 being the USA's own fault except yours. That's a real red herring so stop trying to divert the thrust of the argument.

Mart