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i see a lot of these where i live i sometimes give them loose change ,but recently i just ignore im not really selfish but i have problems of my own and dont really want to stop and get involved any more,do any other forumites feel like me i dont want it to become a habit.

Where I live we now have radio adverts requesting that we don't give to ANY beggars.

I know what you mean Steve, I hate being pestered by some bum with a cup in his hand. The down-and-outs here should thank themselves lucky they dont live in some of the countries I have visited. At least here they get financial support and food handouts. In Kosovo where the good people have no choice BUT to live on the streets get Red Cross parcels and 'out of date' stuff from Supermarkets in England. In Brazil, they live in TOTAL squalor, and homeless kids are randomly killed by over-zealous police.

"....Nobody choses to be homeless..."

Thats not true, the majority of homeless people have at one time in their lives made a decision which has caused them to become homeless - even then it doesnt have to be for ever, they will be offered help of some sort by local government etc. The help may not be great and what they are offered may not be 4 star accom but what does someone want for nothing?

This is not true of all people and I feel genuine sympathy those who are begging out of desperation but I have none whatsoever for those who beg cos they dont want to work and who spend what little money they do get on booze, drugs and fags or those who have been on the street for years cos that is thru their own choice

Jason

My original post slagged homeless people in England compared to REALLY desperate people of other countries. Its the beggars who ponce of people really that are parasites. They have no shame and their only direction is to milk off people who have to work for a living.
I regularly buy Big Issue and am happy to donate toward the GENUINE cause, but Steve56's post was aimed at beggars and I followed from that.
People who depend on substances and alcohol are one thing, but to beg for money so they get their next 'fix' is another.

"Thats not true, the majority of homeless people have at one time in their lives made a decision which has caused them to become homeless-"

Sweeping generalization there Jason.
But you must be right huh? I suppose kids that have suffered sexual abuse just happened to make a decision that "caused" them to be homeless. Such a huge percentage that run away from home be it foster or otherwise and that's without mentioning those that are in care homes.

I guess the mentally ill people who have been turfed out of hospitals because of government closures are to blame for their downfall as well huh? I mean surely with such glaring mental defects, they should at least be able to fill out several dozen housing benefit, income support, disability allowance etc etc forms in triplicate on their own right.
Get help filling them in? Er...have you ever been to a DSS office? Ever think they totally lose faith? While they ponder the relevance of filling out forms...where do they sleep?

What about women who manage to get out of extreme domestic violence households and take to the street?
You think the council make them a priority for housing? Not anymore they don't. Not since the mass influx of refugees and asylum seekers.
But that's neither here nor there. They end up homeless as well just bumming from one shelter to another. Shock horror some even turn to prostitution for money & drugs for an outlet.
But then I guess, they at one point or another made a decision that made them homeless.

" - even then it doesnt have to be for ever, they will be offered help of some sort by local government etc."

Really? Again, I'll ask you, have you had any dealings with the DSS? Have they been helpful and sped things up for you?
Not likely is it.


"The help may not be great and what they are offered may not be 4 star accom but what does someone want for nothing?"

Allow me to bite on this one as well.
I left a group of people out of the original homeless groupings for this very example.
Ex Armed Forces.
Silly little thing to ask, but do you have any idea how many homeless ex forces people there are?
Care to hazard a guess?
The very people that are prepared to take a bullet for us wether we choose for them to or not.
They serve the country and put their lives on the line and what do they get when they get back home?
A lot of Ex forcers are homeless not by choice, but by circumstance of being shat on by the very government they served by default.
What do they want for nothing?
For Nothing!!
I'd hardly call it "For Nothing!"
In an age where we are so greedy and self self self, we forget about people who choose to put their lives on the line. I'd hardly call that for nothing.
But perhaps you're right. I mean, what do they want? A medal or something?


The people that we are actually slagging off, are only a tiny proportion of the homeless people you see.
Truth is the ones that fuck us off aren't even homeless. Just fucking workshy, lowlife pikeys who ponce 24/7.
I'll include a load of the asylum seeking bohemian wretches who make begging a sick art form.
The next time you see a girl who appears to speak no English, with a sign around her neck written in perfect English asking for money to send back to the Eastern block, suprise her by asking How she managed to write a coherent sentence on a bit of cardboard.
If it's the same one who accosts me for cash, she will suddenly flare up with "You fucking bastard, fink ya funny doo ya!" - I kid you not.

Have to ask this, but have you ever been homeless or are you basing the bleeding heart bit on one too many Telethon shameless voiced "Please.....give us your money" ads?


The whole "they drink to forget" is an old cliche actually.
Tell you what, follow one home at the end of their homeless shift. You'll be suprised.

The real homeless people don't make it so obvious. They are more intent on finding somewhere safe to sleep and not dossing on the floor of Hyde Park station.

Well Done to Holden for highlighting this plight that gets brushed under the carpet from all at Whitehall.
These men are PROUD to serve their country, and would readily take a bulet fighting for what they believe in. As soon as they leave the Forces, its a brief visit to their CO, its 'Thanks mate, Good Luck and close the door behind you'......... Closed file.
Most end up doing shitty security jobs at ?3.50 p/h, and end up twisted and bitter at the way they are 'surplus to requirements'
These past few years, HM Armed Forces DO try and reacquaint individuals to the outside world, and most DO have a trade to go into, but its was so VERY different till VERY recently.