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I know these films are not sex films but someone showed me a bit of a DVD
called Stevie O where he staples his balls to his leg, shits all over a toilet,
shoots fireworks at his arse which badly burn him plus countless other really sick acts but it's got a 18 certificate from the British censor, How ?
who's taking back handers to get hardcore sick films like this a 18 cert. enabling them to be sent through the post untouched by the law, this is piss taking at its worst. It could be used by anyone getting nicked as a defence in court when t/s try to defend their no R18 films through the post law because if they allow this then why not R18 that don't even come close
to these video nasties
Sorry about putting this in this section but the BBFC have made a major fuck up with this film changing the whole outlook of things to come, by the way this film is given out as a freebe when you buy jackass the movie at blockbusters.

Kim

P.S.

Thanks for the people who voted for my 'Essex pub orgy film' the award is brilliant. xxxxx

Welcome to the MTV generation Kim.
Jackass is a product of MTV and I for one love it.
I have the movie and the series on DVD.

You either love them or don't.
Perhaps it's a guy thing (cue sexist brigade) perhaps not.

What you have seen is pretty tame in comparison to some of the stuff that has been shown on MTV.
It's sick humour hence the disclaimer at the start of each show.

By the way, for someone who didn't like it and thinks it's sick etc, you sure managed to stomach quite a few scenes.

Calm down Kim, Jackass is many things but "hardcore sick film" and "video nasty" is a bit strong, surely?

Some people might see an Essex Pub Orgy as "sick", it's all relative.

Hi Guys

If we stapled girls tits to wooden benches, caught their private bit on fire,
shit all over them we would be doing 10 years in jail. The point i was making is that with these sort of films around how do they have a leg to stand on when taking producers to court for films which are not even in the same catergory.
If producers made torture films harming the people involved they would have the book thrown at them but these films can be sent through the post.
What would happen i wonder if we made a jackass type movie, would it get a 18 cert.

Kim

It's not sold as a torture film though Kim.
The guys are making it obvious by their stupid behaviour that they are doing it to themselves for a laugh, hence the disclaimer.
Nobody appears to be getting off on it in a torture porn style.

Go ahead and make a Jackass film though, it'll get passed as long as it isn't just an excuse to crack one out in the eye of the censor.

Kim,

I'm afraid the law is really screwed up when it comes to images of sex and violence. The censors (the BBFC in this case) have an obligation to interpret and apply the law. In my view (since they were forced to allow hardcore content in R18s), the BBFC have moved on considerably and are now careful to justify cuts that they make to all material, including porn and Jackass-type stuff.

Although what you saw could be considered disgusting, don't forget that it is aimed at a particular audience (mostly men who themselves do stupid things when drunk, I'd say). It's not really my thing but I wouldn't want to stop adults from watching it, would you ? Equally, I wouldn't be too upset if I never saw an extreme closeup of a triple anal (for example) but I wouldn't want to stop others from watching.

The law regarding sexual material is a mess and does need to be reviewed. Unfortunately, the censors have no control over this. As I'm sure you know, shitting and pissing is not allowed in porn, whereas it's ok in a non-sexual context. It seems completely daft but it's based on whether something is considered obscene, which itself is based on the decisions of juries in court cases.

If it's any consolation, there is a reasonable chance that Ofcom may allow R18 strength material on TV, which would be great news for anyone with an interest in porn. Who knows, maybe next year we might have "Live Essex Pub Orgy" on TV !


Peter

Hi Peter

Thanks for explaining some bits to me in your message but what confuses me is why these type of movies don't get R18 as well because even though its aimed at drunk men children could still watch it. Sex or extreme violence should be judged by the same BBFC board & proper regulations should be in place for films of this sort.
The man in Germany who wanted to be killed & eaten wasn't allowed even though he said he would sign a disclaimer yet if one of these blokes killed theirselves making these films it would be alright, strange world & even stranger British laws.

Kim

"children could still watch it."

Aah, that old chestnut. Suffer the poor children eh?

It wouldn't be that difficult for children to get their hands on your Essex Pub Orgy - would you rather they watched that then Jackass?

I was on another messageboard recently and there was a debate about whether or not websites should've been showing the Nick Berg video. Sure enough, plenty of posters piped up with the "but what if children might see it?" argument.

Should we censor all films and tv shows just in case children MIGHT see something 'wrong'?

It's that very point of view which resluted in my beloved Bruce Lee film's being censored.

The nunchuka scenes were removed because some brain dead retard decided to whack himself on the head with a pair.
The BBFC decided that the cuts should be put in place in case "the children" see it.

Hell, I didn't even know Fist Of Fury had a nunchuka scene in it til 7 years ago!.

I can understand the argument for censorship, but I don't go with it.
The censorship has become a little more 'lax since Firman fucked off.
That and the fact that we can buy almost anything off of the net.
They figured it wasn't worth the hassle.

Kim,

The R18 category is reserved for hardcore porn; there is no equivalent category for films containing extreme violence. Unfortunately, the idea of keeping anything related to sex firmly behind closed doors is rather engrained in British culture and the R18 category is a consequence of that.

Right now, we have the daft situation where a newsagent can sell magazines with explicit content but cannot sell videos that show the same scenes !

As for the risk that children might see unsuitable material. Well, it is illegal for anyone to sell an 18 or R18 to a child. Once the item has been sold, however, it's down to parental responsibility to ensure that children don't see things they shouldn't.


Peter