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Not Michelle Barrett as well?!

Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:50 pm
by Number1
Sorry, I know a lot of people think I make a big issue about this subject, but I think it's an absolute tragedy that Michelle Barrett has had those breast implants, and some form of bottom lip enhancement.

I know they're all doing it at the moment, but she was one of our countries most gorgeous ladies for goodness sake. Having argued and pleaded (and lost) with one particular model, who I feel has completely ruined her natural beauty, I'm beginning to think it is something similar to an eating disorder, and I do NOT say that lightly.

I know we alway get the arguament "it's their bodies" and "they become so much more confident" and the rest of that crap, but what are we doing as an industry that makes all these girls feel they are more attractive, or worth more as a person with silicone implants?

As a consumer I don't want to see it. As a producer I don't want to work with it. When someone as lovely as Michelle decides that she looks better after this surgery I start to be really concerned about the environment we are creating for these girls to work in.

And I genuinely believe we are failing them by not assuring them that we prefer them as they are.

That's my rant of the week over. Goodnight all.


Re: Not Michelle Barrett as well?!

Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 12:33 am
by jj
I wouldn't mind so much if she had been poorly-endowed, but I think she had a pair of the most perfect breasts I've ever seen, and certainly not in the least underdeveloped' (and her legs and smile are world-class too).
I didn't know about the lip-collagen, but the prospect doesn't exactly fill me with gleeful anticipation. I expect the Americans will love her- for about their usual-length attention-span, i.e. 10 minutes. The number of US ex-pornstars who are going to the tabloids to bemoan their ill-considered surgery increases weekly......howsoever, I fervently wish her well, while hoping that she doesn't live to regret it [sniff, weep.......]
Concerning your point about a 'need' for surgery possibly being the manifestation of a psychiatric disorder, I believe it might fall under the broad heading of 'body dysmorphia' (usually but not exclusively associated with anorexia), where the sufferer cannot be convinced that their (very poor) self-image bears little resemblance to the (very much better) actuality.
When I think of all the total babes with 'two aspirins on an ironing-board' (Emma Pierce, Claudia Jamsson, and a host of E Euro girls spring to mind) who've been/are in the industry, the contrast becomes even more glaring. A good performance trumps a pair of silicon tits any day.

Re: Not Michelle Barrett as well?!

Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 1:09 am
by Pervert
The dreadful advice must be coming from somewhere. I used to think it was producers telling the girls that they needed implants, collagen and all the rest to be a success. That assumption doesn't seem to have been completely correct (sorry, Number1 and any others I might have maligned).

I still don't get it, though. Why this need to tamper with what is considered as near perfection as damn it? Yes, it is their choice, but on occasion---after the "enhancements"---the performer seems to lose that special something which made her stand out from the crowd.

I wish Michelle, and any other adult actresses who take the same route, well with her future career. It's sad, though, that she feels this is what she has to do.

Re: Not Michelle Barrett as well?!

Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 2:50 am
by jj
I fear 'society', whatever that is, is largely to blame- the notion of 'instant fame', the valuation of 'beauty' (by which they mean 'whatever we've come up with this week for an unwarrantedly influential minority to flog to an undiscriminating public') far above genuine talent, compassion or intelligence, and an uncompromising disdain for anyone who fails to live up to impossible, ever-changing standards.
With the change in the nature of a lot of employment ('hot-desking', the imminent death of cradle-to-grave social security, etc) many people feel insecure (probably with good reason), and I think attitudes reflect this. The transient becomes ever more valued, because the old certainties can no longer be relied upon.
We're talking here about adult actresses- but they only reflect in microcosm what's going on with young women throughout the western world......

Re: Not Michelle Barrett as well?!

Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 2:54 am
by Number1
I must admit I was certain it had to be people in the industry who were offering work as an inducement, but my long arguing with my particular model has convinced me that it's simply vanity, and misplaced vanity at that, and just like a girl with an eating disorder, they simply can't see what we see.

I don't have a problem with girls wanting to correct faults, but I just feel that whatever the fault was, (if there ever was one) it is not corrected by implant surgery.

If they looked real it wouldn't be so bad, but it's glaringly obvious that they're not. So we've got Vicky Powell, Rachel Travers, Marie Bramley, Linda Murray, Michelle Barrett, etc, etc, all of whom were very popular, very sexy ladies before surgery, and NONE of whom look better after surgery. Tragic enough for any girl, but more so for girls who make a living by gettin 'em out.

Amateur photographers don't help. I know I'll offend hundreds of people with this comment, and I apologise in advance, but I see so many amateur photographers that are so overwhelmed that these girls will strip off for them that they'll pour forth no end of compliments and tell them anything they want to hear. I won't.

I used to give huge amounts of work to the particular model I have referred to, but not any more. She's now had to find someone else to pay her a living, and he recently commented about her implants as looking "oh so good." Well I'm sorry, but they look "oh so shit!" and I'm sure people telling girls that they look good is part of the problem.


Re: Not Michelle Barrett as well?!

Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 3:05 am
by Number1
I've just found these as an illustration, but the amateur video I saw was far less flattering.

http://www.chicimages.co.uk/modelspages ... rrett.html


Re: Not Michelle Barrett as well?!

Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 3:33 am
by jj
While I agree with the general tenor of your comments, I have to point out that some girls looks are improved (at least to my eye) by a (competently-done) boob-job: Bev Cocks and Natalie Sheldon, for example- although both girls also had a bit of a 'makeover' around the time, too. I hope they'll both forgive me if I observe that their boobs were a tad 'droopy' before their ops !! It may also be no coincidence that both are a little 'big-boned' (I mean that as a compliment), and this helps carry off bigger breasts...........on beanpoles, a similar size would just look ridiculous.
I'm also certainly not suggesting that either is or was suffering from any of the problems discussed above- but to my mind thay're the exception rather than the rule.
Surgery ought not to be a 'fashion-option': it is after all a dangerous business with no guarantee of success, and since most NHS units are swamped with work on burns victims, etc. the bulk of cosmetic surgery falls into the private sector, where the driving motive is necessarily financial- which I believe produces a conflict of interest amongst its practitioners that may not necessarily result in the most unbiased advice for patients.

Re: Not Michelle Barrett as well?!

Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 3:34 am
by jj
Oh dear.

Re: Not Michelle Barrett as well?!

Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 4:01 am
by Number1
I know what you mean about the droopy look, and I understand that girls who's breasts are starting to look a bit "empty" want them to look fuller, but sadly droopy tits after surgery generally look like droopy tits with a bag of silicone in them, unless they've been so overfilled that they're stretched to the limit.

If implants were breast shaped, then maybe it'd work. But a round bag of silicone is allways going to look like a round bag of silicone. Personally the biggest turn of to me (and I am speaking about the over-stuffed variety) is that they just don't feel the same.

Can't imediately conjur up a pic of Bev to peruse, but I must say I thought Rachel Travers' were the most realistic I'd seen, but that was until I saw them on video. Promo shots will always be done to show a girl in her best light, but in this business we see them from all angles, and that's where you get the full picture.

Personally I think it's like building a couple of brick extensions on the front of a lovely stone cottage. Yes, they make it bigger, but they don't improve the looks, and it's blatantly obvious to everyone that they were not an original feature.

I despair! Might as well chop me cock off and give up wanking forever! (though no doubt there will be several young ladies queueing up to chop it off for me after this!)


Re: Not Michelle Barrett as well?!

Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 8:38 am
by jj
Bev's photo on her page here does show them looking a little unnatural- one wonders what sort of experience with women the surgeon had to imagine womens' breasts as even remotely round- but check her out in Road Trips 6, for a MUCH better view.
I think you have to just live with the physics of the situation (the feel is something else.....)- I can't begin to imagine a material that would be simultaneously fluid and solid, keep its shape for decades, not degrade over time, AND be totally non-allergenic and non-toxic. Maybe NASA's materials scientists have come up with a suitable substance, but its use might put the average boob-job's costs somewhere into the millions..........it might be possible one day to transplant suitable tissue, if the rejection problems could be overcome- but again this could result in a much higher price-tag.