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One can understand what one likes about physics, the fact remains its' pretty well established laws dont change. For instance, electromagnetic radiation (light, radio waves, electricity) travels at 186000 mps wherever you are in the universe, (the wavelength may change but not its speed), gravity exerts its influence in exactly the same well understood way here as in the far reaches of the cosmos. Technology may improve but it is still bound by the rules. If you are suggesting that some distant, purely hypothetical entities have different laws of physics, at which point in space between us and them would these laws change? Is it gradual or sudden? Would some other third party life forms have yet another list of their own laws? If they came here would their machines work to our laws or theirs?

andy at handiwork wrote:

> One can understand what one likes about physics, the fact
> remains its' pretty well established laws dont change. For
> instance, electromagnetic radiation (light, radio waves,
> electricity) travels at 186000 mps wherever you are in the
> universe, (the wavelength may change but not its speed),
> gravity exerts its influence in exactly the same well
> understood way here as in the far reaches of the cosmos.
> Technology may improve but it is still bound by the rules.


We cannot say any of that.


andy at handiwork wrote:


> If you are suggesting that some distant, purely hypothetical
> entities have different laws of physics, at which point in
> space between us and them would these laws change? Is it
> gradual or sudden? Would some other third party life forms have
> yet another list of their own laws? If they came here would
> their machines work to our laws or theirs?


We cannot answer any of those questions.




Anyway, Mike, I hope my reply was helpful.

[quote]We cannot say any of that.[/quote]

How convenient! You're allowed your wild conjectures but pull others up on perceived facts. Ever thought of joining the clergy?

Not very clever, these aliens: getting around time dilation and a knowledge of physics we're oblivious to, yet being continually caught by our very primitive radar.

Someone's not thought it through......

Dear Sam,

thank you too for joining in the dialogue between Mike and myself.

Now, I have not, thus far, made any conjectures whatsoever. Indeed, I have previously stated quite categorically that I have no idea where these things come from or what their purpose is.

All I have done is to relate, to Mike, some of the possibilities that are being considered by those who decide to look into this matter.

SteveR,
That is pretty convincing but you find that the doubters will never accept the possibility of their existence because their minds are completely closed and that is why they believe everything they read in the newspapers!
Mike.

My pleasure....

I'd not have accused you of conjecture if you'd have stuck to highlighting the possibilities, but once you started dismissed andy's facts so eagerly then it seems you're guesswork holds more weight in your mind than you're letting on; they're looking suspiciously more like ill thought out judgements.

Basing your argument on 'their physics' is nonsense. I could say these objects are in fact flying elephants who are privy to physics we don't yet understand and the possibility couldn't be argued with - not in the strictest sense of what's possible, anyway. It's the same tactic creationists use, hence the clergy reference.

It's not the way reasoned debate gets done.

If UFOs do come to earth, why do they only go to places where a handful of people ever see them? If they flew low over a major city then there would be no mistaking it for anything else. Seeing they never do, it's hard to believe UFOs are actually from other planets.

Sam Slater wrote:

> .....Basing your argument on 'their physics' is nonsense.....

I wasn't arguing in favour of anything.



Sam Slater wrote:

> ......It's not the way reasoned debate gets done.


I wasn't taking part in any debate; merely trying to answer Mike's question, but being sidetracked.

JonnyHungwell wrote:

> If UFOs do come to earth, why do they only go to places where a
> handful of people ever see them? If they flew low over a major
> city then there would be no mistaking it for anything else.
> Seeing they never do, it's hard to believe UFOs are actually
> from other planets.


You will find that this has happened on many occasions.

eg Los Angeles 1942, Montreal 1990, Phoenix 1997.