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Having studied the trial hearings, seen a number of authoratative documentaries and read Albert Pierrepoint's autobiography where he comments on the demeanour of some of those he executed, I think that, on balance, the verdicts and sentences handed down were reasonable.

Dibble that has to be the lamest argument ever, you seriously think that a drug addicted robber with absolutely zilch to lose is going to think twice about packing a shooter in case they end up getting hurt themselves ... fuck sake your whole worldy knowledge seems to have come tumbling down around you with that idea.
Please remember like most other folks on this planet whether is it royalty or a petty robber it is about looking after no. 1 and no. 2 don't even get a look in, besides I would imagine packing a shooter would just add to the notoriety of most of these dudes anyhow.
Sam mostly agree with what you say and the fact that if homeowners start gunning down robbers breaking into their houses then the full fabric of British Society as we know it will quickly come tumbling down very rapidly (perhaps that is what some on this board seem to crave anyway), although I would point out that most petty criminals seem to have the laws stacked in their favour as do most immigrants into this country ... but that is a completely different argument altogether.
Bottom line is that most offences in this country never seem to get the punishment that the crime deserves but that don't mean that we go taking the laws into our own hands now does it just because we don't have enough prisons to house these offenders.

"Dibble that has to be the lamest argument ever"

What are you talking about?


"you seriously think that a drug addicted robber with absolutely zilch to lose is going to think twice about packing a shooter in case they end up getting hurt themselves "

Who said anything about "drug addicted"? I was talking about regular vanilla flavoured burglars ? you know, chavy sorts, simpletons, bad brains, idiots and opportunists. I believe I did suggest that the threat of armed householders might not deter the minority of total loons and crazies, did I not?

Crofter what do you really know about the kind of people who burgle property? Have you ever met any of them? Have you ever caught any of them breaking into your property and thus taken the opportunity to administer a vicious beating ? like my good self? If not, how do you justify telling people ho have been at the sharp end of this issue that they are talking rot?

Regarding folks taking the law into their own hands ? yes, they should do. Though not necessarily in a direct manner. What they should be doing is sweeping from power any party (or public sector bodies) that say we should be reasonable with burglars (or any of type of social scum) that we should understand them better, that we should empathise with them and be careful not to harm them. Because it is they who are ultimately responsible for the breakdown of our society - a society where low-level scumbags appear to be totally unconstrained and unafraid.


Officer Dibble

Here we go again.
Dribbler takes every opportunity to brag and boast.
"...Have you ever met any of them? Have you ever caught any of them breaking into your property and thus taken the opportunity to administer a vicious beating ? like my good self?"
Master of Sushi and Black belt in Origami.
Not forgetting B.S. (1st Class Hons.).

Mart

?Master of Sushi and Black belt in Origami.?

Eccky thump, actually, mart. But do I detect a note of pique and envy here? Are you feeling piqued that, unlike yourself, Officer Dibbs has got so many interesting anecdotes to relate? Are you resentful of my groovy exploits? Feeling a little spiteful, maybe? And there was I thinking you had gotten over all that.

Officer Dibble

Diplodocus,

In killing my attacker in my own home I went berserk,stabbing him even after he was dead. The prosecution's case was that I had gone grossly past what was necessary in my self defence. I was found guilty and served ten years.

If you kill someone who attacks you in your home the CPS will prosecute ,usually for murder. The jury will be handed full colour photos for them to study. The court structure is designed to make you look guilty. You will be in the dock,guarded as if you were a dangerous man. After all most jurors think that you must have done something wrong or else you would not be there. You will be psychologically distressed, having been held in the squalid confines of a British prison for six months, and taken to court in a steel box inside an armoured car. The media will be reporting your case and the jury will be reading it. Hope that the News of the World loves you.

All the emotional events that led you to kill your attacker will have been converted to words on paper. The pathologist report about how brutal you were and the depth and width of the wounds,the force that they were delivered with.

But you should not be there in the first place,even if you cut his throat from ear to ear like I did. Only a fool gives one's would be killer a second chance. Don't forget you would not even be there if you had not tried to defend yourself,your home and family!

Mike Freeman.

Some criminals did a tie up when robbing Khashoggi the arms dealer's home on Hampstead Heath. During the robbery they sexually assaulted the maid. This little firm's next job was a set-up! As soon as they broke in they were shot dead. Only the get-away driver got away when he heard the shots. It was an execution.
Mike.

I do not agree with capital punishment in the cold light of day. Mistakes are made and the state becomes guilty of the very crime it condemns.
Mike Freeman.

"10 years"? Mike, that sounds like a horrible travesty of justice. Now, if I'd have been in charge back then, I would have seen that you were acquitted of any spurious charges and then subsequently awarded a CBE, MBE, OBE, and shit, maybe even a knighthood for services rendered to the nation. Keep up the good work.


Officer Dibble

[quote]In killing my attacker in my own home I went berserk,stabbing him even after he was dead.[/quote]

Understandable if he kept coming for you after the first wound inflicted. Now, say a pathologist determines that the 1st of 20 stab wounds was enough to incapicitate the intruder, but the 16th stab wound was the cause of death, then you wen't too far, because you stabbed him 15 times while he was incapicitated. A pathologist isn't stupid. He did 6-12 years of study on Human biology, and if someone inflicts wounds to kill, after inflicting wounds that caused the intruder to be unable to put up a fight, then that pathologist will know more about this than anyone. A pathologist would be able to determine how many wounds it took to incapicitate, how many it took to kill, and how many wounds were inflicted after death.

[quote]But you should not be there in the first place,even if you cut his throat from ear to ear like I did.[/quote]

Cut his throat from ear to ear? That's not a defensive manoeuvre is it? That takes 'forethought', that takes strength -to stop said intruder 'stopping you' doing it-, and that takes the willingness to carry out the 'killing' even when you're intruder is unable to defend himself anymore.

Violence, rage, and a thurst for revenge seemed to killed that intruder, not the panic of defensive action.

I was attacked by a 16 stone man -who'd been convicted of killing someone in an armed robbery- when I was a 10 stone, 20 year old youth. I had no weapons and the man had a 10" chefs knife, trying to stab me. Luckily I had always done Thai Boxing since I was seven years old and I managed to box him until he couldn't see through his swollen eyes anymore. I bust his tear ducts & retina in one eye through defensive purposes. As soon as he sat on the tarmac -frustrated& crying like a baby- I phoned the police. He managed to stab through my shirt -grazing my right side- but I escaped his lunges.

Once he was incapable of attacking me, I stopped hitting him and the police didn't charge me, or even warn me. If I'd have stamped on his skull while he was on the tarmac, I'd have been charged. Though this guy wasn't a burglar, I was being attacked by a guy who'd killed before, and was trying to kill/injure me.

Cutting someone from 'ear to ear' is a wound I could have inflicted, but I was just relieved I'd stopped my attacker without being stabbed myself. Slaying him like a sacrificial lamb never entered my head.

All I'd done was lean on his garden fence, which gave way and collapsed. Hey, maybe he was just protecting his property eh? Ten years later and he has to put eyedrops in 5 times a day because his eyes are incapable of moisturising themselves. He wasn't trying to rob me of a dvd player, but rob me of life itself. I didn't think about killing him at all.