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one eyed jack wrote:

> Though it will be crap if people who go through this system
> actually work with people with handwritten NHS tests that
> cannot be verified because of the data protection laws allowing
> people to get away with fake certs and there were half dozen
> names on the list on that one.
>

Be even crapper when they go through this system, and then do a public bukake/gangbang "party" and suck a dozen uncerted cocks.
Thats were the system falls apart.

Truth is Chris and without naming names, the kind of girls who would use a system like this wouldnt do bukkake at all UNLESS they knew every guy they was blowing was certed.

Thing is this area is grey and usually involves members of the public and usually run by people who prefer to be off the radar of industry scrutiny because they know what they are doing is naughty

But then this whole business was built on its afinity to mischief. In short, someone somewhere is always going to be a rogue and do it but thats still not an excuse not to have this system

I just think it would be great to have everybody who performs so that it is manageable in the event of an outbreak and that they can be contacted if need be to let them know but what i fear is if someone caught a dose of somethign wrong that they would disappear without trace and leave a trail of chaos behind them

When it comes to making money you would be surprised how many people actually give a shit about their fellow performer. When i say how many, its not really thast many but if you got two flies in the proverbial ointment thats just two too damn many

Look on this Promotions Forum, there are at least 3 UK Producers, organising these events, and they are openly advertised here.

The girls who are advertised are well known top pornstars, it is very clear that OWO and CIM are on the menu to all persons.
Only requirement to attend is ???'s and they are described as "drop in" events.
Somebody asked if filming takes place, and it was confirmed it doesn't, so exactly what it the purpose of these events.

This trend scares the living daylights out of me .. in my opinion the timebomb is ticking. !shocked!

Speak for yourself.I have always ensured that models know what is expected in advance and that all have current certification.Each person,at the shoot, receives a copy of such certificates.This encourages models to trust my team,and is certainly very common,when filming outside UK.The only point I agree with you,is that the standards of conduct in the UK porn film business,are very low.

Like I said. Without naming names. Its those people and those who participate that we cant do anyhting about and its up to the models themselves to decide if they want to work with them knowing that.

Ill give you another example. I heard that models in europe were using a lock down to charge extra during a syphilis scare....Thats crazy. So yo uhad to pay them danger money to work in a possibly treacherous environment!!! This goes on all the time so what can we do about it?

Not work with them is not a solution as they will work with someone who will indirectly work with you anyway.

Mad innit???

Well, this is how I think it will work

In UK, we will have 2 groups of models:

1) those that opt-in to the online cert scheme and only work with other opt-in models

2) those that opt-out of online cert scheme and only work with other opt-out models

the percentage of opt-ins to opt-outs may shift in time possibly more in favour of opt-ins.

This two groups of models working separately with ring fenced wall between them will ensure that online cert scheme is not polluted by bukkake shoots etc...

anyways you know it make more sense to opt-in

[I don't understand why some models are moaning that this is too expensive. min of 3-4 shoots booking a month(roughly ?800-?1,000 earnings) should easily cover this cost. If you're a model and can't get min 3-4 shoots a month then you should seriously consider why you're still modeling.]


A lot of the amateur models we know are normal housewives who may do a shoot once or twice a month & they can't demand the prices pro actress get so would these get discount under these rules or would you want put a bigger gap in the Am/Pro industry by not employing them, with 1000's of amateur models in the UK you would surely want these on side?

The earnings of some of the Pro on here to that of the Am models is worlds apart so do you have a system for popular models & another for the not so popular...i think not.

John

Everyone has there own idea of grouping, We have done bukkake like half the models we know & none of them have ever caught anything, we use condoms & class anyone going bareback in films as high risk so yes we do all have our own safety systems that see us right.
Take a look on Adult Work at some of the Pro models who offer bareback & bukkake will seem like a walk in the park. To make this work we all need to clean up our own backyards first before pointing fingers in panic.

John

I dont think we should penalise bukkake as a niche.

If the performers are all tested to spec it should be ok.

Kim, unfortunately that is the way it might be. its like if models want to work for a higher rate they will have to upgrade accordingly. I see no problem with that. ie if she does work with amateurs but knows there is a job coming up for a reputable high end company then she will get a test within that grade and try to generate work in that area to maximise on that test for the month

I can understand the scheme wont be consistent to start off with but then I hope models making a full time career out of it will see that it makes sense to go for the premium certs option of Clinic Express.

There is already a divide where models are concerned and always has been so whats new? i dodnt hink this will make the rift more apparent than is already in existence anyway.