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Imagine a place where you can see someones test before you travelled three hours to work with them on the day.

That would be something wouldnt it?

Compare that thought to what you know now and the model forgot her test or it was a day out or whatever.

So what do you do then eh? Ditch the job and waste time and expense or just go along with it because you need the money desperately?

hell you might catch the clap but thats easily treatable right?

I could spell out the rest but like Isabel said. Its a no brainer.

no probs with the idea however my clinc would not go along ,and i cant afford what it costs other performers to get tested
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No worries Terry,

Maybe I should keep my opinions to myself, get on with my job, and not post on here lol..I guess if you haven't had any bad experiences (and from what I see on here and from what Isabel has said then I have just been lucky) with regard to testing and the issue of fake certs, then you would not see the need to change things personally, but if there was a SAFE and SECURE way of doing this then I would be all for it..I think that was my point originally, regarding personal information (and also Harry raised some good points too), but it seemed to get lost in translation as these things tend to do on here! lol

Andy I rest my case !wink!

i dont think you should keep your opinions to yourself. You read something and you objected to it. I was just taken aback because I thought all the performers would have appaluded it. So far its 98.5%.

Sometimes the 1.5% make a good point which I might have overlooked. So its all good man.

Jo, I'm sure you wont be the only one but one thing about our BAIHA meeting back in 2000 and something told me that if we all came together and they knerw everyone was up for it then a deal can be reached where they can work with us rather than against us.

Meanwhile plans are underway to get more "influential" companies to back this so dont expect this overnight.

Hiwatt, if this is something Blue Bird are interested in we would welcome your support.

no isabel its me harry is targeting wether he admits it or not. hes spent many years baiting me if u look at his post history. i usually dont rise to it but this is an important issue.

im well aware my history is wishy washy harry which is why ive been the target of some just and unjust gossip and bashing in the past. ive never lied about anything ive done and therefore people can make up there own minds if they feel im too high risk to work with but bare in mind im one of the only models to have adopted the condom only rule.

i can sympathis thats its hard to swallow that im one of the people who feels most passionatly about sexual health when u consider the things i have done. Just because someone does bad things it doesnt make them a bad person.

i can sit back and shut up because i know it makes me a hypocrite or i can be pro active and do the right thing in supporting this and making it happen.

im now detracting from this thread but i had to get that off my chest. i wont post any further tho so the thread can stay on topic.

You are merely highlighting the hypocrisies of this world Sandie.

You are a hero because you are one of the good guys.

No one is perfect.

Hiya BGAFDers,

Finally! I have only just had time to chime in on this thread but kudos to OEJ for being proactive and actually doing something to drag the UK industry kicking and screaming into the modern world! Well done to all the supporters who voiced their positive views too, it shows that even on here there can be some unity when needed in important matters.

As talent we are lucky enough to have data based systems in place in America, Prague and Budapest so the UK really needs to catch up. There is no question of this system working or not working Andy, it is not a matter of wether it works as what is its function? The only function that a database serves is to log and produce information to relevant people and crucially as Isabel has stated, at times when there NEEDS urgent attention. It does this by default of being a database so of course it works bruv.

I respect your opinion as I do anyone else's and the fact that you are fellow talent adds bulk to your views mate. Anyway this is not a post aimed at anybody so I just wanted to share my views and show my support for the database that in my opinion NEEDS to happens to help protect our health, there are no two ways about it. *Did you know that actually there are a lot of european models who wont work in the UK because of health fears and yet here the feeling always seems to sway the opposite way round*

We have this databases available in both Prague, post syphilis outbreak and also in Budapest. This started out with just each private clinic supplying consent signed database protected by patient numbers and passport numbers rather than names. Of course you can access the database from anywhere you are shooting from around the world, print off extra copies and replace lost or damaged certificates. How is that not a added bonus? Both the systems in Prague and Budapest also allow director and agent access and this can quickly and easily answer any doubts or questions about your test which is especially useful language barriers. This added control method massively reduced the possibilities of fake certs, stopped business for those small 'questionable' laboratories and created a massive facility to react quickly to outbreaks.

The fact is from my experience and I have the documentation to prove it, statistically the industry health in Prague and Budapest is far better than that of the UK. The database does not affect the normal procedures of taking your original cert down to all your shoots, exchanging with your work partners and giving copies and shots to the production but it does back us up if and when. As Issy said before, should there be a outbreak the infection can be cordoned and treated much more effectively.

I personally feel more confident in the testing system in europe and I *touch wood* have been enjoying a really long clean bill of health over the past year. A database system in place is a big part of this and we definitely NEED to follow suit.

Ramble over,

Keni

Keni said:

There is no question of this system working or not working Andy, it is not a matter of wether it works as what is its function?

I stated a few times over the thread my support in principle mate, and I wasn't putting forward a negative view either, I only stated my genuine concerns as to how it would work in practice, in an ideal world sure, it would be a great thing, but I wouldn't say that we are in the dark ages either, we have good clinics and most performers I know are responsible towards their own health and that of others..sadly you will always get people abusing that position of trust wherever you are in the world, not just in the U.K..SO..(just to let everyone know my position once and for all!! lol) ..

I am FOR this in principle..I have my concerns about it working in practise..now that's not being negative is it? I won't be posting on this again now..

It seems to work for the US and europeans so maybe it may work for us.

Already I can see benfits being that as a porducer, if I book a model I can check if her certs are in date for the date I want to shoot then on th eday expect to see that same test that I saw online for a start.

Then there are the other things such as having a work history available in case of an outbreak.

Lets face it, if an outbreak was to happen now we know everyone wil run for the hills.

I think this is what Keni means by function.

There are no guarantees that even if it was verified to the max that people wouldnt come down with something. Look at the US and when the HIV thing happened. They were quick to limit its damage by isolating the points of contact.

If the same happened here, people would all be in a panic without anyway of knowing anything. Thats the scary part.