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[Androm]

?If I can put it into context and ask a question - as an erotic artist, what would the situation be if, for example, I were to book a model, and give her a shag whilst taking a few photographs of the act. I then go and turn said photographs into a series of paintings, which I sell (or at least attempt to sell) commercially. Would that be considered by models as a legitimate shoot?? ? YES

If the photographer is certed, clean and can perform I see no difference between a model and a model/photographer except the latter has a camera in their hand.

Being more controversial I?m not sure why people have a problem with Gonzo/POV? If release for sale it?s a valid commercial format. In-fact, I would go on the say most solo toy shoots are POV. Well, mine are only if all you guys/girls shoot half way down the studio. So please don?t give POV/Gonzo a bad name.

As for escorts/models both sell sex, but there again so does the music industry, fashion, magazines of all type, washing machines and rice pudding. How many girls/guys went out last (Saturday) night, met someone they did not really know, took them home and fucked them. All could be seen as selling their bodies even if no money directly was paid.

Sex is only dirty and degrading if you see humans as something special set apart from the rest of the animal kingdom. If as person is religious that is the case whereas if you believe we are here ?by chance? via natural section then at the heart we are still animals although with a little more intelligence.

[harmonyhex]

Just to clarify I only used gonzo as an example of where a model may have sex with the photographer/producer and that in that case he or she would be certed.

[strictlybroadband]

centrestage wrote:

> why bring jesus into this debate?

Why question pornstar morality on a porn forum?

[Ron T. Storm]

Yes - I do have regular STI checks and I only work within the industry.

Stormchild69

[untold]

Sex with a porn star is a fantasy I'd like to fulfil but I've no great desire to have sex with n escort who isn't a porn star. Is that weird

[Sam Slater]

So......three things we can all agree on?

1. There's nothing wrong, or immoral about being a pornstar.

2. There's nothing wrong, or immoral about being an escort.

3. There IS something immoral about doing both and putting fellow performers at a higher risk than is necessary.

I've said this on numerous occasions now: Your test, on set, on a Monday morning means nothing if you've escorted over the weekend. You've taken the extra health risk and been paid for it. Your fellow performer's now at an increased risk and not been paid for it.

In ANY other job, we strive in reducing the risk damaging other peoples health. Putting a fellow worker -say on a building site, or working in an office- at a greater risk of injury, unnecessarily, is negligent and rightly frowned upon. It shouldn't be any different here.

Any decent performer can earn enough as a pornstar. If he/she can't, they're not as good a performer as they think.

[Harry Hardon]

Sam,

I think you'd be surprised by see how many people in the porn industry are on escort sites (genuine or fakes).

Why? Because it is tough to cover the rent every month in an industry where one month you'll get ten shoots and the next you will get one or two.

I'd also like to raise the issue of extra risk by escorting and that your logic really doesn't add up.

I expect any models who escort use protection as most men who use escorts are married or have good jobs. These are not ?50 girls who walk the street but girls who can command up to ?1,000 for an hour of company - they get professional clients.

So if a model is using protection, she is very unlikely to put her co-star at risk.

The people more likely to put their co-stars at risk are the people using drugs, having casual fun sex on a Friday / Saturday night or unprotected sex with a partner outside the industry.

So this begs the question, should people who work in the porn industry only have sex when they are performing in movies and not in their private life?

Just my thoughts on the matter.

HH

[myson]

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[Sam Slater]

I've covered this, on numerous occasions, already.

All this bullshit about Escort only going with clean, rich men that never pay for dirty street hookers, blah, blah, blah...... And don't even go down the old route about escorts using condoms.

Known people within the industry have phoned girls up, disguised as punters and got quoted as little as ?40 for bareback. I'll not mention names of course, but some of you reading this will know who.

Both street hookers and escorts will, when they need the money, work in massage parlours etc, and lots of guys who mainly use high-class escorts will, use these parlours, or even pick up street girls on occasion. A girl who escorts DOES NOT know if the punter also pays cheaper hookers, or visits massage parlours....and even if he doesn't do these things, he may have been with a different escort that does.

Escorting, especially in London has high paying businessmen from different parts of the globe, and pay for escorts in many places where HIV is more of a problem than here. just because he's got an expensive suit and flashy watch, doesn't mean he's less likely to give you a dose.

You have been tested at your local GUM clinic right? You do know that one of the first questions on that form is 'have you paid for, or received payment for sex within the last 3-6 months?' don't you? They don't ask you if you've paid for street girls and advise you to stick to high-class, ?1000 a night escorts 'cos you'll be alright, innit?'

Health workers know full well that contamination between street girls, parlour girls and escorts is frequent and real.

People are always going to have sex, but it's about minimising risks. A pornstar that escorts gets compensated for her extra risk, while the pornstar who doesn't escort gets put at the extra risk without the compensation. This, while ignoring the morals of putting a fellow performer at risk, is wrong financially too.

You see, because of the extra sex and extra risks being both a pornstar and escort, these girls more likely to get shoots cancelled/postponed due to days off because of infection. Should, then, the girls who never escort be paid more, per scene, to compensate for cancelled scenes which aren't their fault? Isn't a performer who gets tested and doesn't escort, doing everything she can to minimise the risks to herself and others, but also having to put up with diseases, or cancelled scenes because of girls who aren't as careful?

I've heard every excuse possible, but to put someone else at a greater risk just because you want some extra cash is wrong, no matter how you dress it up.

I'm NOT against escorting. I want to make that very clear. I'm all for girls/boys doing what they want with their own bodies as long as -and here's the main point- it doesn't harm, are increase the risks of harming, others.

If there was another syphilis outbreak in the Czech Republic, would you book a girl who just been doing scenes there, with untested guys (saying she promised she used a condom in every scene)? If you're pro escort/pornstar bookings then you shouldn't have much of a problem with the scenario I've set. In both cases you're taking the word of a performer saying she's used condoms, with untested performer/punters.

I suppose you could minimise the risks of dual escort/pornstar lifestyles by making all known escort girls do 'condom only' scenes. This may make it fairer on the performers who don't escort. Just a thought......but like I've said already: I've said all this before. No one really gives a shit and the tests some performers bring on set are just a joke.

[Harry Hardon]

I agree the whole porn star / escort debate comes up every few months.

What annoys me are the porn stars who comment "I don't work with amateurs" but are happy to take ?300+ per hour to escort with an unknown untested person.

Also, after looking at a few sites, many of the current top porn stars (female and some male) are escorting so condom only shoot may have to be the answer but this won't stop drunken one night stands.

Porn industry is a risk industry and everyone should do things to limit their own risk - me I only work with condoms anyway.

HH