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Diana was the shape of things to come: all about empty emotions and rhetoric with more than a hint of psychois and self-pity, just like Mr Blair she could play people like a fiddle and quite plainly did so.
The current trend is to make "the people" believe that "they matter" (lot's of silly survey's asking for your point of view etc) when the cold reality is that we are marching quickly to an automated computerised Orwellian hell in which individuals actually mean nothing to those in power, and personal opinions are just data with which we can be judged.

lol marty, i thought all that was aimed at me at first! I read flat view not threaded view.

Do YOU have any idea how hard it is to set up a company and make it work.

Yes I do actually. My grandfather was a business owner (one of the aforementioned "gits" I mentioned), and so were my parents.

Do YOU have any idea how hard it is to set up a company and make it work. To be responsible for paying your staff wages ever month not forgeting the stress daily off remaining in business when so many are going bust! No I thought not!

Wrong. It was reported on the BBC news recently that at least 50% of Britain's workers consider their employers to be bullies. Does it take talent and money to treat your staff as valued human beings? And NONE of my employers have treated their staff as if they were valued in any way what-so-ever. Why, I ask you, is this country called "Rip Off Britain"? It's because business leaders are not interested in the worker, the customer, nor the country as a whole. All they're interested in is making a quick buck at the expense of everyone else. They (the majority, not all) are parasites only interested in quick and easy social climbing. Some even go as far as what is known as "Pheonixing", where they purposely defraud people, then declare bankruptcy only to open up the very same firm again under a slightly different name. I've been told by Trading Standards that this happens A LOT in the UK; too many Del Boys out there running dodgy firms wanting something for nothing.

Truth is you dont have either the talent, or the drive to dont it let alone the balls!

Wrong. Er, without going into details I do have a skill, but the government stepped in to tell me I couldn't use it. Then when I chose something else they put the barriers up again. And suffice to say, it's a sure bet that if I were not wiley enough they'd take even more of my limited prospects. But that's all I'm going to say on that matter 'cause it's waaay too personal.

save your pennies and set YOUR own company up

You obviously have never been restricted to jobs where all you get paid is just enough to survive, have you? When on such "wages" you have very little chance to save anything, let alone the large amounts to enable you to set up a business of your own.

Maybe if you actually did some hard work and stop spending your little salery on booze and fag, you may find that your own social standing may rise. Using the 'social class' arguement is such an excuse of lazy gits how want the world but are not prepared to work for it!

Sorry, wrong again. I don't drink nor smoke. I don't spend money on frivolous and worthless activities either, like pubs, football, night clubs, or holidays abroad.

Marty seems to think like a typical anally minded middle classer who can only see up the ladder, not realising that there are people down below being trod on.

Ohhh, my heart bleeeds for you toooo....SOB! My advice here, Marty, is not to bring up a subject if you don't think you're going to like the answers.

And no, my family is not at all well off. My grandfather was moderately well off, but my parents worked for themselves (no staff) in a tiny convenience store that was run out of business by your mates in the board rooms such as Tescos (a.k.a. the aforementioned gutter trash) who also have the government in their back pockets.

Maybe you're not a corrupt Capitalist who's only tallent is in bullying his way to the top of the tree, but there are a LOT out there who are.

As for your lame post which talks utter bollocks. Employers are bullies, yeah right. Dont believe everything you read in The Sun newspaper.

Try the BBC main news and my own experiences. But go ahead and keep those rose tinted glasses on if you wish.

now now ladies lets calm things down or the rest of us will conclude the answer to the thread's title via your argument alone.

Hey Dynatech! We on the otherside of the pond call it "the dumbing down of america". Most of the same stuff is happening here and Princess Diana was especialy loved here.

Marty doesn't like the truth that the extreme greed up the top is running this country further into the ground than it already has done.

The riffing between Marty and Mojo is interesting. The only problem is since I get the thread sent back to my e-mail address. Everytime they post their argueing I have a LOT of deleting to do. Y'all are like 5 or 6 hours ahead of me. So in the morning over here you should see all the e-mail threads I get. 9 to 15 I have to delete. It's funny at best.!laugh! !laugh! !laugh!