Re: Disillusioned with the Industry
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:22 am
I have been lurking on this debate for the past 24 hours or so.
Forasmuch as Emily/One Eyed Jack/Alice in Blunderland, have different opinons and have put over their different opinions in a passionate way - It has been a healthy debate.
Here is my tupenth.
EMILY
Emily has every right to expect NOT to be propositioned etc when on a shoot. Ive not done a shoot with her myself yet, but from her frequent posts here on BFAGD it is abundantly clear that she is very professional, and is someone blessed with brains as well as beauty. I can appreciate where she is coming from.
ONE EYED JACK
One Eyed Jack has also made many sound points in this discussion - and has basically just been honest. If i am not correct, is he not the partner of Faye Rampton - and if being such, I reckon this gives him a lot of insight into the other side of the coin, as I am sure Faye has had many stories to tell of dodgy porno directors trying it on etc etc...so his experience as a well known and established producer and partner of a porn star in my humble opinion give him gravitas on the subject.
ALICE IN BLUNDERLAND
Alice in Blunderland however has been much less "politically correct" on this subject..............................................................................................
and for that reason - I SALUTE HIM!!!
Its about time more people came off the fence and took a strong stance on their beliefs.
Dont get me wrong, I totally respect Emily's viewpoints - but that is because she is very clear on what she is..... ie a professional model / adult performer. Her guidelines on what she does and doesnt do, are very clearly defined, and for that reason she has every right to go off on one should someone ever suggest she "offer" other services etc.
HOWEVER!........
I for one am very confused and kinda bugged with the double standards that exists within the adult business - particularly with the female model fraternity.'
Im not sure Emily's professional standards are shared by the majority. Perhaps i'm incorrect here (and have not wish to offend the many other genuine girls out there), but there are many many other girls/models/adult performers/escorts - whatever they want to be called, who have really mudied the waters.
This is my story
Im a newbie producer, who has very limited experience. Why do i want to get involved in the adult business?.....because i like porn and i like sex. There you go ....."my name is dave and im a porn/sex addict" lol
Just because im an average guy however - doesnt neccessarily preclude me from being businesslike and respectfull in my dealings with models etc.
I find it amazing that NEW models or girls with jackshit experience talk a good game about "only working with professionals" etc, whilst new producers/or guys who work on their own are often referred to as "the dirty old git with a raincoat" brigade
Alice in Blunderland makes some very valid points. Being paid to have sex with a stranger may be different from prostitution, (and there ARE many models who do both), but im getting fed up with those who have double standards
You have an adult industry - where models say they do whatever levels of work = art - nude - continental - girl / girl / boy/girl etc etc.
...........................
So mr newbie producer contacts some models. The girl has her own website and it says she does up to continental. Trouble is you then surf about and she is also listed on be-seen-here or whatever as doing hard girl/girl. Then you see her giving a handjob on conysgirls and then check the newest updates from Jimslip and here she is taking it up the arse from good old jim (lucky ba$#%rd!
and then!.................you go onto the adultwork website.
You are sourcing models - but now see this well known porn star advertising escorting services. she wont reply to your emails. she wont do a scene with YOU because she assumes you are some fat balding old git (no disrespect to jimslip!) (correction jim isnt fat lol) she wont go anywhere near you, coz you are new - ......
BUT.....
.......contact her on a different website and she will shag you bareback for 300quid an hour. It has already been pointed out that getting certs done becomes kinda redundant with this sort of carry on. I obviously cant name names here - but we all know there are LOTS of adult models moonlighting as escorts. (Actually im not totally against this as it may be my only opportunity to get intimate with some of my fantasies lol)
Apart from obvious problems with certs etc - i dont want to critisize anybody who wants to escort aswell. The money is no doubt much better - so good luck to them......but please give a break to us guys. If a guy has got a hardon during a shoot, he is normal. if he fancies the pants of some model and discreetly asks if she escorts - please dont go screaming to the nearest rape unit. If it wasnt for ALL the girls who advertise here and there about "escorting" then there would be no need for him to ask....BUT many decent men are confused as to what the boundaries are - because so many models have muddied these boundaries.
Yes there are predatory pervs outs there who wont take no for an answer....and they should have their arses kicked ..but i ask you this question.
With all the bullshite and contradictions that comes from so many of the female adult performers of our day - WHO IS USING WHO?.....WHO REALLY ARE THE PREDATORS?
rant over
Forasmuch as Emily/One Eyed Jack/Alice in Blunderland, have different opinons and have put over their different opinions in a passionate way - It has been a healthy debate.
Here is my tupenth.
EMILY
Emily has every right to expect NOT to be propositioned etc when on a shoot. Ive not done a shoot with her myself yet, but from her frequent posts here on BFAGD it is abundantly clear that she is very professional, and is someone blessed with brains as well as beauty. I can appreciate where she is coming from.
ONE EYED JACK
One Eyed Jack has also made many sound points in this discussion - and has basically just been honest. If i am not correct, is he not the partner of Faye Rampton - and if being such, I reckon this gives him a lot of insight into the other side of the coin, as I am sure Faye has had many stories to tell of dodgy porno directors trying it on etc etc...so his experience as a well known and established producer and partner of a porn star in my humble opinion give him gravitas on the subject.
ALICE IN BLUNDERLAND
Alice in Blunderland however has been much less "politically correct" on this subject..............................................................................................
and for that reason - I SALUTE HIM!!!
Its about time more people came off the fence and took a strong stance on their beliefs.
Dont get me wrong, I totally respect Emily's viewpoints - but that is because she is very clear on what she is..... ie a professional model / adult performer. Her guidelines on what she does and doesnt do, are very clearly defined, and for that reason she has every right to go off on one should someone ever suggest she "offer" other services etc.
HOWEVER!........
I for one am very confused and kinda bugged with the double standards that exists within the adult business - particularly with the female model fraternity.'
Im not sure Emily's professional standards are shared by the majority. Perhaps i'm incorrect here (and have not wish to offend the many other genuine girls out there), but there are many many other girls/models/adult performers/escorts - whatever they want to be called, who have really mudied the waters.
This is my story
Im a newbie producer, who has very limited experience. Why do i want to get involved in the adult business?.....because i like porn and i like sex. There you go ....."my name is dave and im a porn/sex addict" lol
Just because im an average guy however - doesnt neccessarily preclude me from being businesslike and respectfull in my dealings with models etc.
I find it amazing that NEW models or girls with jackshit experience talk a good game about "only working with professionals" etc, whilst new producers/or guys who work on their own are often referred to as "the dirty old git with a raincoat" brigade
Alice in Blunderland makes some very valid points. Being paid to have sex with a stranger may be different from prostitution, (and there ARE many models who do both), but im getting fed up with those who have double standards
You have an adult industry - where models say they do whatever levels of work = art - nude - continental - girl / girl / boy/girl etc etc.
...........................
So mr newbie producer contacts some models. The girl has her own website and it says she does up to continental. Trouble is you then surf about and she is also listed on be-seen-here or whatever as doing hard girl/girl. Then you see her giving a handjob on conysgirls and then check the newest updates from Jimslip and here she is taking it up the arse from good old jim (lucky ba$#%rd!
and then!.................you go onto the adultwork website.
You are sourcing models - but now see this well known porn star advertising escorting services. she wont reply to your emails. she wont do a scene with YOU because she assumes you are some fat balding old git (no disrespect to jimslip!) (correction jim isnt fat lol) she wont go anywhere near you, coz you are new - ......
BUT.....
.......contact her on a different website and she will shag you bareback for 300quid an hour. It has already been pointed out that getting certs done becomes kinda redundant with this sort of carry on. I obviously cant name names here - but we all know there are LOTS of adult models moonlighting as escorts. (Actually im not totally against this as it may be my only opportunity to get intimate with some of my fantasies lol)
Apart from obvious problems with certs etc - i dont want to critisize anybody who wants to escort aswell. The money is no doubt much better - so good luck to them......but please give a break to us guys. If a guy has got a hardon during a shoot, he is normal. if he fancies the pants of some model and discreetly asks if she escorts - please dont go screaming to the nearest rape unit. If it wasnt for ALL the girls who advertise here and there about "escorting" then there would be no need for him to ask....BUT many decent men are confused as to what the boundaries are - because so many models have muddied these boundaries.
Yes there are predatory pervs outs there who wont take no for an answer....and they should have their arses kicked ..but i ask you this question.
With all the bullshite and contradictions that comes from so many of the female adult performers of our day - WHO IS USING WHO?.....WHO REALLY ARE THE PREDATORS?
rant over