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Re: Could 42% win it?
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:04 pm
by max_tranmere
It should certainly be at least 50% of Scotland or even two-thirds. I think the coverage today and yesterday, and this kind of coverage will presumably continue, of how the 'yes' contingent are either level-pegging or in the lead, this all by itself will probably push a lot more voters to vote 'yes' and a lot of those sitting on the fence to vote 'yes' too. The way a product is marketed from nothing-level to success-level is done by convincing people that everyone else is into the thing, and implying you had better get into it, as this is the trendy thing. The media constantly telling everyone that the 'yes' lot are likely to win will make others jump on board and vote that way too.
Alex Salmond is a very smug politician, he can't talk without smirking and it's very annoying. Why can't he treat the person he's talking to with respect and retain a composed, professional, and serious expression? Oh well, there's a good chance he could be the leader of an independent Scotland, he might not be as they may lose, but he might be. When their new powers are given to them, like the ability to increase taxes (which they'll get whether they stay or go), and when he realises Scotland is much worse off financially and he has to put up taxes, then more Scottish business people will move to south of the border, loads will have moved already, he will then be out of a job. Labour will most likely win and Scotland, by then a stand-alone country outside the EU and outside of Nato, will be full of many angry people who will be furious at Salmond for hoodwinking them.
This broke little country on the edge of Europe will be wishing it never left. The unemployed Alex Salmond by then will probably be living under 24 hour Police protection. And what currency will this independent Scotland have? The Bank of England governor said today (Tuesday), and he is one of many who've now said this, that there will NOT be a currency union.
Arginald
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:06 pm
by max_tranmere
So it has to be over 50% of those voting and those eligible to vote in order to get a win?
Bank of England governor says no to currency union
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:13 pm
by max_tranmere
The Bank of England governor Mark Carney today said a currency union would be incompatible with sovereignty. Where does this leave Alex Salmond and his determination to keep the pound now. He will presumably have to sue the Bank of England and/or the government of the country to his south, the UK, in an international court in order to be given the right to use the pound.
Re: Could 42% win it?
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:10 pm
by william
Broke little country on the edge of europe my fucking arse..... Go read up. Find out for yourself and see qhat you find - its not going to be easy but by eck it wont be scotland thats the poor country by a long shot. Its not just salmond that did the figures.
You need to remember about the creative accouting that displaces scottish revenue towards england. Once seperated that will cease and you would get quite a suprise at just how much scotland is worth.
Oh and a break away from England ? bring it on.
william
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:53 pm
by max_tranmere
Whatever the economics I think its wrong and unfair on the rest of the Scottish people that just over 40%, or maybe just over 50%, could win the day - meaning vast numbers didn't want to leave but will have to. Salmond will then be judged on his ability to run the economy, schools, healthcare, pensions, etc. If, or most likely WHEN it is realised he isn't doing a good job Labour will most likely become the government there. I think a lot of people then, who voted to leave, will be wondering whether it was a good thing to go.
Re: Bank of England governor says no to currency union
Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:54 am
by Arginald Valleywater
But McSalmond knows different. Mark Carney is a mere puppet in McSalmond's view. In the rest of the financial world the Governor of the Bank of ENGLAND is seen as hugely respected expert and not for being pushed around by a egomaniac. My money (no pun intended) is on Carney by a knockout.
Another thought. There seems to be some nasty comments about English people being sent home. Fine. If your Scottish child is seriously ill and the Doctor treating him is English then order the flowers and book a hearse. Will you also be repatriating the Welsh, Polish, American etc etc residents? Living very close to the border and being half Scottish I am baffled as to the anti English sentiment as I have never in 46 years had any sort of racist comment.
Now for a Tunnock's. Oh hang on a minute the factory that supplies them with one of their largest ingredients is in Cumbria....and Irn Bru needs sugar. British Sugar are based in Peterborough if I recall...ideal opps to bung up the costs as there will be export paperwork, customs paperwork and currency exchange fees to sort.
Jings, Crivens etc..
Re: william
Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:08 am
by william
Yes salmond did push for independance and he may be looking for that glory. But look beyond the salmond angle and see just how many are actually waking up and seeing this from a refreshed view. Its not about salmond its about having a country that who we vote for actually gets elected.
The day of reckoning is almost on us, and hopefully this charge towards the yes vote will continue to gain momentum. Take a drive through Glasgow Edinburgh or any scottish town and you will see loads of 'yes' posters. Swamping the number of No's Ive seen.
Its actually fun looking at the panic in them now. A leap into the dark ? Pfffft get it up ye ya fuckers. Austerity ? shove it.
So what will england be like without scotland ? a much worse place if you ask me.
Will I loose sleep ? Probably what with all the celebrations going on it will be hard to sleep.
Ravenscraig
Trident
Bedroom Tax
Austerity
The countless mines
NHS
Pensions
Nah time has come - time to divorce and time to go it alone.
Re: william
Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 9:53 am
by Sam Slater
[quote]The day of reckoning is almost on us, and hopefully this charge towards the yes vote will continue to gain momentum. Take a drive through Glasgow Edinburgh or any scottish town and you will see loads of 'yes' posters. Swamping the number of No's Ive seen.[/quote]
This could simply be because 'Yes' voters are more vocal in their support, which is natural when you compare them to people who want to keep things as they are.
Whatever happens, I think this whole thing will be good for the UK as a whole. If Scotland votes 'No' then they'll get more devolved powers after anyway. If they vote 'Yes' I can see Yorkshire, Wales and Cornwall all getting more regional powers and taking the decision making away from London.
Re: william
Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 12:14 pm
by dave756
"I think this whole thing will be good for the UK as a whole. If Scotland votes 'No' then they'll get more devolved powers after anyway. If they vote 'Yes' I can see Yorkshire, Wales and Cornwall all getting more regional powers and taking the decision making away from London."
As to if it is a good idea depends what those "devolved powers" are and the devil is in detail which we haven't had any as yet.
Re: william
Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:10 pm
by Arginald Valleywater
As eloquently put on ITV news tonight. No Pound means setting up your own currency. Now what exactly is Scotland's credit rating as a sole entity? I do recall McSalmond wanking on a few years back about his admiration for Iceland. The only nation in history to go bankrupt. Ooops.