The Bang Babes an' all that

[Deuce Bigolo]

A rather tiresome debate gentlemen.People are free to choose where they wish to visit online..The moderators will choose what they will allow to be posted

As for confronting bigots,racists,sexists etc, i'd sooner just state i disagree.One thing the internet has taught me is you never know who your dealing with.They could be windup merchants,bigots or just off their face
Confrontation by reasoned debate very rarely does anything but descend into a slanging match.Count the number of converts on one hand I'd bet

You want to fight bigotry,racism,sexism etc do it in your own little patch in the real world.In your face will always have a lot more impact than over the web

Once again we come back to the internet becoming a serious place

Maybe mirroring the woes in the world at large

[colonel]

Buttsie,

I think I will take your intervention as a timely place to end my posts on this matter- I have read the sense from you that others posts have been crying out for.

I will bring to the attention of this Forum any deceit and diatribes coming from the other place; at my discretion should such deceit and diatribes take place. Lets all hope that the moderators of the other place don't force me to make this a regular thing, eh?

People with half a brain know where the truth and justice lies- it lies here at BGAFD. Not in any shambolic and self-selecting impersonation of here.

[Sam Slater]

How convenient, colonel. My last post addressed everything you asked of me, and I've done it in a polite and adult manner. Your retort is to ignore the facts so you can keep up your own prejudices.

You assumed huffers was a rival: I said it was an alternative, and why don't you accuse Terry of unfairness as he contributes to here, and UKAP.

You assumed Wazza was the main guy: I told you it was Jacques.

You asked 'why the need for huffers?': I told you it was a forum where we could air our views without causing havoc on here (though havoc still threatens just because WZR has a platform on another forum!).

You accuse Wazza of bullying: I say 'show me!' (you won't/can't)

You accuse Wazza of homophobia: I say 'show me!' (you won't/can't)

You sarcastically ask that if I'm so concerned about bigotry, on here, why don't I fight it: I link to a thread where I do just that.

You accuse Jacques of collecting ISPs, big brother style: I tell you that this is done automatically on most sites. THIS site included.

So, what does colonel do with my edification? He totally ignores it! Why? Because that would mean he'd have to accept he was wrong. Which takes me back to my original conclusion about this whole affair:

It isn't about rival forums; it isn't about the need for huffers; it isn't about bullying, or homophobia; it's not about collecting ISPs: It's about your dislike of WZR??and nothing else. Why don't you just admit it? If you'd come back -after cowardly running away after calling Dibble a troll- and found huffers was set-up, with no hints of WZR, you'd be a member now
(conjecture, I know...)

And a note to all the other forumites reading this: The difference between all you WZR haters and me is that while you had your problems with the guy -rightly or wrongly- you keep up that assault 6 months after he's been ejected. Contrast your attitude to mine with an ex-forumite who was also ejected??namely Magoo. Just like you lot with WZR, me & Mags had our issues. We've made up now, but even before we did, I didn't continually have digs at him or his character after he was ejected. I didn't carry it on and on, unable to leave it alone. It was finished; it was water under the bridge.

If someone asked me 'are you the kind of person that bears a grudge?' I'd have replied that I thought I did. Now I realise that compared to you lot, I was naive to even know what bearing a grudge actually means.

Get over yourselves.

[Sam Slater]

Some of what you say may have an element of truth, Deuce, but in reality, it's unworkable.

[quote]The moderators will choose what they will allow to be posted[/quote]

I'm not hinting at what the mods should/should not leave up. My whole point to this is that if posters are angry, grumpy old men, why not turn their anger to something worse than an ex-forumite and rebuke the bigots that are all to regular at times?

[quote]As for confronting bigots,racists,sexists etc, i'd sooner just state i disagree.One thing the internet has taught me is you never know who your dealing with.They could be windup merchants,bigots or just off their face
Confrontation by reasoned debate very rarely does anything but descend into a slanging match.Count the number of converts on one hand I'd bet[/quote]

True, true.... but we shouldn't care whether they're off their face, wind-up merchants or trying to convert anyone; it's giving out the message that is you're going to be a racist bigot, some fucker is going to ridicule you for it, rather than idly letting it happen.

[quote]You want to fight bigotry,racism,sexism etc do it in your own little patch in the real world.[/quote]

That an order? Lol... Sorry, but the internet IS a serious place these days. It's not 10% of the population anymore, with dial-up connections, where all they wanted was to chat to someone in Brazil, or find a little porn. Terrorism is fought over the net, as is paedophilia; football hooliganism is organised over the net, and is fought over the net. Religion fights atheism over the net and atheists fight back over the net. I think, buttsie, we're going to have to accept it.

[colonel]

Sam Slater wrote:


> If someone asked me 'are you the kind of person that bears a
> grudge?' I'd have replied that I thought I did. Now I realise
> that compared to you lot, I was naive to even know what bearing
> a grudge actually means.
>

Here we go..Sam is up for Round Two!

Now, Sam- I can write another 60 posts if you really must, going through all the points you have raised. Over and over like a phoney cracked record.

But I don't want to. I really don't.

Life is for being happy and jolly- and not repeating points to you that I have made over and over.

But for the new reader- one final point:

Sam Slater is listed as a Moderator at another forum. This forum has handed out homophobic and harassing remarks at the drop of a hat. Mr.Moderator Slater has not once delete any of them. Then he has the cheek to accuse me of litany after litany of cobbled up jibes and limitless nonsense.

Are you the nameless one in disguise, Sam?

[Sam Slater]

Some of what you say may have an element of truth, Deuce, but in reality, it's unworkable.

[quote]The moderators will choose what they will allow to be posted[/quote]

I'm not hinting at what the mods should/should not leave up. My whole point to this is that if posters are angry, grumpy old men, why not turn their anger to something worse than an ex-forumite and rebuke the bigots that are all to regular at times?

[quote]As for confronting bigots,racists,sexists etc, i'd sooner just state i disagree.One thing the internet has taught me is you never know who your dealing with.They could be windup merchants,bigots or just off their face
Confrontation by reasoned debate very rarely does anything but descend into a slanging match.Count the number of converts on one hand I'd bet[/quote]

True, true.... but we shouldn't care whether they're off their face, wind-up merchants or trying to convert anyone; it's giving out the message that is you're going to be a racist bigot, some fucker is going to ridicule you for it, rather than idly letting it happen.

[quote]You want to fight bigotry,racism,sexism etc do it in your own little patch in the real world.[/quote]

That an order? Lol... Sorry, but the internet IS a serious place these days. It's not 10% of the population anymore, with dial-up connections, where all they wanted was to chat to someone in Brazil, or find a little porn. Terrorism is fought over the net, as is paedophilia; football hooliganism is organised over the net, and is fought over the net. Religion fights atheism over the net and atheists fight back over the net. I think, buttsie, we're going to have to accept it.

[Pervert]

Won't ask why you posted the same thing twice, Samwise, and half an hour apart---but just think, with our edit facility you could dispose of one

[Sam Slater]

[quote]Now, Sam- I can write another 60 posts if you really must, going through all the points you have raised. Over and over like a phoney cracked record.

But I don't want to. I really don't.[/quote]

Of course you don't want to: you have no retort to any of the points I made. You're backing out because you have nowhere to go. My truths have shown that the basis of your whole argument is based on prejudice, falsehood and hints of jealousy.

[quote]Sam Slater is listed as a Moderator at another forum. This forum has handed out homophobic and harassing remarks at the drop of a hat. Mr.Moderator Slater has not once delete any of them.[/quote]

On a more reasonable note: I've asked colonel to back up these allegations with quotes from that forum. Anyone can throw accusations willy-nilly. I've asked you (colonel) not once, not twice, but thrice, to give me quotes, and I promise you that if there are hints of homophobia, they will be deleted. I have read through the posts on huffers, and find nothing of the sort; if I've missed them, point them out and expose my incompetence.

As the Americans say: "Put up, or shut up!"

As for harassment: another complete falsehood; at least when it comes to huffers. No one is forced to read a public forum and so cannot be harassed. This isn't opinion, colonel, but fact.

Can you 'put up' colonel? Can you expose me as an incompetent moderator? Can you get out of this habit of accusing people and running away, like you did when you called Dibble a troll? Other people called him a troll too, and whether they were wrong or right at least they stuck around and took the heat when Dibble made his counter-attack. You fled the battlefield for 3 months with your tail between you legs! Show the forum you have some mettle about you, lad.

'Put up' colonel! Show us the homophobia.....well? What are you waiting for?

[Sam Slater]

One post looked as though it failed, Carac. Luckily I copy my posts, if they're long-winded, just for this eventuality. Since it failed i reposted, which worked. Now the original appears half an hour later!

[Pervert]

Knew it'd be something like that.