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Look, the only way to win this war is by being as ruthless as the enemy. Be soft on them and they'll have your balls in a sling! So, I guess you wouldn't want to know the other thing I would do if all else fails?

If this had happened in a US airport,compared to glasgow

Eyewitness accounts.

America:"Oh my God! there was a man on fire,he was running about, i just ran for my life..i thought i was gonna die,he got so close to me"

Glasgow "Cunt wis running aboot on fire,so a ran up n gave him a good boot,then decked him"

America:"I just wanna get home,away from here..i just wanna get home,i thought i was gonna die"

Glasgow:"here shug,am no leaving here till am oan a fuckin' plane!"

America:"there was pandemonium,people were running in all directions,we didn't know what was hapening,i thought i was gonna die"

Glasgow:"Fuck this fir a kerry oan,moan we ll get a pint in"

America:"We thought he was gonna blow us all up he had a gas canister,and was trying to get into his trunk,i thought we were gonna die,i just ran for my life"

Glasgow:"a swaggered by the motor that wis on fire,and the dafty couldnae even open his boot,he wis in fire annaw so a ran up n gave him a good boot to the baws"

America:there was this huge explosion,it sounded like war,i thought i was gonna die"

Glasgow:"There wis a bang,yi know when yi throw BO basher intae a fire it wis like that"

America:"i'm too traumatised even to speak,i thought i was gonna die"

Glasgow "here mate,gies 2 minutes till a phone ma auld dear,if am gonna be oan the telly a want her tae tape it"

!bow!

Genius, Nando, sheer genius.

LOL Very funny. But the thing you're missing is that if it was the US the terrorist wouldn't have been breathing now, 'cause everyone owns GUNS over there.

*Shucks* !blush!

I wish I could take credit, but Richard Dawkins said the exact same thing about religion in general; I just adapted it to this specific problem.

The moderates know what's going on, but feel they'd be bad Muslims, or traitors, so they turn a blind eye to these monsters preying on the vulnerable in Mosques up and down the country.

We are told not to generalise, and all Muslims are not terrorists. Well, this is blindingly obvious! Most right minded individuals wouldn't dream of blowing up innocent people......but.......

.....I believe a lot of moderates -on all sides- are guilty of turning a blind eye, or supporting terrorism in their heart. Let's be fucking honest here, there isn't much about our 21st century lifestyle, and culture, that fits comfortably with 2000 year old religious doctrine. No matter how many Mullah's and Bishops want to twist the scriptures words, cherry picking clauses from the holy books they say we're supposed to take literally, and all the bad bits are now only metaphorical......until it suits them...... It's all bollocks.

A MUSLIM DOESN'T NEED THE IRAQ WAR, OR THE PALESTINIAN CAUSE TO KILL HIM/HERSELF IN THE NAME OF ALLAH. It's just the current excuse.

If you are Muslim, it is your duty to spread Islam. It is a fundamental part of a Muslims life to live within a nation whereby Islam and the ruling state are one. The moderates tell us they don't want this, but it is their crazed brothers and sisters who do, and the moderates make their lives easy......why? Guilt. The moderates are considered bad Muslims, and they let this brainwashing of youth happen...........

Say you're a moderate Christian. You're an intelligent, kind, thoughtful guy, and you attend church every so often. Even though you disagree, would you shout out in the middle of a Sunday school class if the clergy were telling the kids that Adam & Eve were true,and that we really all were descended from them? As a moderate, you may believe in God, and like the spirituality Christianity brings, but you also know Darwin's theory of evolution, and that human dna is 60% equivalent to a banana's dna. You wouldn't speak out against the Bishop though........you're moderate, but you wouldn't feel like a good Christian if you disagreed with the book. With Islam it's the same.........moderate or not, you turn a blind eye, even though you may not agree. Fundamentalists are given the freedom and anonymity to spread their beliefs like a virus.

My conclusion is people are wrong to say all Muslims are a terrorist threat, but A LOT of moderate, friendly Muslims 'know the score', but choose to keep quiet. The crazed fundamentalists aren't just the ones to blame; it is the moderate, everyday Muslim who could have gone to the cops, but decided against it that is just as much to blame as anyone............they have blood on their hands too, but you'd never get a tabloid running with that!

[quote]cause everyone owns GUNS over there.[/quote]

Yeah, and we see the consequences about once every few years, when some loony toon goes on a rampage around a school.

!laugh!

Some of the eyewitness accounts on BBC News 24 had to be cut off by the producer, because it was too Glaswegian!!

*Easterhoose ned accent*

"Aye, it aw kicked aff- everywan wis goin mentul, weans were goin mental. We wur waitin oan oor plane fur Columbia, heard a big bang, man, and legged it, th----------" CUUUT.

BBC: "Sorry, we had a very bad line from Glasgow there"

Some eyewitnesses painted a lovely picture of Glasgow:

"Ah saw a guy comin oot a car, swinging punches at folk. Ah jist thought it wis just two taxi drivers fightin'."

The spirit of Glasgow shone through, but never get a Glaswegian to talk spontaneously live on the national news!

I thought about those points WZR don't you worry. However, the only time Muslims have been tolerant of other religions is when they've been the ones in a dominant, powerful position.

In other words, you can follow your religious customs only if it doesn't interfere, or go against their beliefs.

[quote]I think that moderate Muslims are indeed moderate. They have nothing at all to gain from terrorism - they are trying to do well in their day-to-day life, and many of their kids just want to get off with girls, get stoned and sing along to the Arctics.[/quote]

Correct on all accounts, however I 'believe' they have nothing to gain from turning in 'known' recruiters within their community either. Would you turn your neighbour/cousin/friend into the cops if he was recruiting for martyrs? Of course you would! I feel that religious loyalty gets in the way when it comes to our current situation though.

I've grown up with 2 friends since I was seven Warren. Both born in the UK, and of Yemeni parents. Had meals at their house, fasted with them as a kid, went to Ede parties etc. Really nice, kind, polite, down-to-earth blokes. I was working nights so in bed at the time the 9/11 attacks happened. My two Muslim friends, along with lots more 'moderate Muslims' had their young children on their shoulders, celebrating and wailing in excitement that the Twin Towers were now a pile of burning rubble.

They were moderates right up to that day, and if you met them now, you'd not believe their actions that day. You will never know what's going on inside someone else's mind Warren until it's too late.

A tiny percentage of any peoples are crazed martyrs, but I believe a lot more know what's going on, and could provide useful information if they really, really wanted to.