the sad demise of britporn

[bemused]

Absolutely right, it's all about passion and nothing else. Not the cold mechanical stuff that is the staple fare of Britporn.

We all know how girls love a story no matter what it involves and that applies just as much to porn as it does to any other area.

[Mad Burt]

kidda cant believe that eveyrthing said youd agree that gagshag is in anyway an answer to the limbo known as brittporn. the problem with brittporn is purely and simple low thought low direction low skill gagshag. just get a bird stick a cock down her throat and when shes gaging blow all over her face. thats brittporn and the reason it sells in such low volumes in shops but as download and at a ?1 a pull its great value and all its worth
malc

[Magnus]

If I may have a say from a Non UK perspective, I will get straight to the point.

The problems with British Porn?

Too many average girls, not enough studs and a seemingly humorous look at sex.

Now, you have some potentially great girls. I have always decided against British Porn, but a few months ago, bought a few DVD's, downloaded from some memberships on British Sites and some were poor, some were shocking, BUT some of your British girls are top quality, and put in the right hands, can be sensational.

There seems to be an attitude of "If she's willing, she's good enough" Sadly, most of us do not want to see rough ladies with a deeper voice than Barry White, talk dirty.

Quality over quantity. You have some good websites, directors, people who want to make good Brit Porn, and most of all, you have SOME sensational girls.

The feeling I get, is that sex in U.K is dirty, and by making it humerous at times, makes it look cheap. Yeah, have a laugh, but not at the point of the guy exploding or at the beginning because you can't be serious over being erotic.

I've seen some great clips, girls who I have never seen again, but hope to find out who they are, by being on here, because you have some cracking performers and must mould your industry around them.

Hell, you're the guys who gave the world Sarah Young, a hard act for any British Girl to live up to, but the likes of Alicia Rhodes, Roxy Jezel and a few others are starting to make waves.

You have a good selection of girls, and a small supply of decent directors etc, build on it and be the ones who re-invented Brit Porn.

[bemused]

Absolutely but if the cheap stuff is done with a certain amount of style and passion on the part of the participants then it can work. However, very little is unfortunately.

[bemused]

Thanks Magnus, I was starting to think that I and a very few others were lone voices out here. I certainly think we are with regard to the "acting" fraternity given zero response from them to this string. Could it be that they are afraid of upsetting a few people out there?

[one eyed jack]

No Bemused....I think a lot of people in the business don't think the comments on this thread applies to them which is why it is nt getting the response you would like...Either that or they dont care either way.

I always find the proof in the pudding for a producer is this question...Would you buy your own stuff if you saw it in a shop? There are very few producers I know who live by this. I being one of them.

To be honest I stand guilty of some of the charges levelled by Magnus and can validate the reasons for some of his criticisms: I find a lot of unnecessary humour on a shoot reflects a performers insecurities and a lack of confidence which is why I dont advocate much acting and script in my movies because a lot of performers cant act for shit....and its nothing to do with how great a director you are either...It just makes the difference between a shoot being short or dragged out hours and hours later when your studs are struggling to maintain wood in a scene they have no inspiration for because they cant see past the nut they have to bust over a girls face (succintly put)

Some rules in mainstream movie making do not apply to porn (depending on the experience of your chosen performers of course).

Britporn is what it is and may never transcend that much because we are not americans and nor are we europeans in terms of professionalism. This will require a change in attitude not just from producers but mainly its talent and technical staff from grass roots up. I'm not saying it cant be done though. I think some of the more successful producers have emulated what they like about US porn and it reflects in their work

I think we need more performers to turn directors as this is the group of people who are making the best stuff going at the moment in terms of sexual intensity and interest in the US and Europe at the moment particularly in the realms of gonzo...which incidentally I firmly believe is the best platform and wear by it making reality based sex scenes. It seems to be the only truthful conveyance of a sex scene out there.

Anybody who cares about making a good end product is making the kind of product that they like but as I've said before, there a re loads of great ideas that people have, its in the execution of them when it all falls down and for some with no experience, this is where their initial ideas are lost...Maybe thats the real problem with Britporn, the balance of being flexible with a camera, choosy with talent and skillful at post production.

Just the other day i put off another producer from doing something run of the mill where he honestly thought was going to re-invent the wheel and put him on the map in the industry on the basis of one shoot...This unrealistic approach is prevalent amongst a load of new producers with delusions of grandeur coming into the industry right now. What they should be doing is studying whats done ok so far and take it to another level. Not turn out what everyone else is doing with the same models time and time again.

Even the girls and guys get bored of doing the same thing with each other over and over again.

[one eyed jack]

Oh and most importantly the reason why producers dont really answer is because this subject has come up probably a dozen times and will probably come around a dozen times more....Its a popular topic thats been answered in varying degrees in the past....Just take a look at the archives.

Further more some producers dont pay much attention to a few people moaning, especially when they think a lot of the people moaning dont even buy the product and get it free from various p2p sites so understandly there is going to be a bit of arrogance dealing with this issue.

[bemused]

Ah well I think we've done this subject to death now and you're most likely right. Have a great new year. Oh by the way I loved the chapter about you in Bruce's book. I managed to get through about a third of the book over Christmas, it's very good.

[one eyed jack]

Thanks. Still waiting for my copy !happy!

[Magnus]

one eyed jack...

Thanks for your long reply, I don't have the energy to respond too much but....

There is a lot of talent in UK Porn, and given the right production (and attitude) these girls are tasting (!?) success in the US.

I'm unaware of alot of producers work (yours included, but will check your sites out) but just last week, I bought some, and was lent some others, British Porn DVD's and I was appalled at most of them. There were a few exceptions granted, but some of the girls were just out of their league, and the production levels were not 2005/2006 quality. Too much talking, laughing and rubbish basically, the girls didn't seem to be enjoying themselves, and no-one had any passion for it, a few DVDs excepted.


But potential is there, and I have found a few sites/DVD's with good scenes, so it is improving, and I look forward to more British stars making it big (!)

Goes to check the sites....