Muslims are revolting ?

[David Johnson]

"Not exclusivly, it has other religions as well."

The same can be said about all countries.

98% of the Turkish population is Muslim.

[David Johnson]

The reason I reference the Pew Report is twofold:

1. They are a respected organisation.

2. Their figures in no way support the assertion made by Max that Europe will be majority Muslim by 2050.

3. E.g. "The Muslim share of Europe?s population is expected to grow by nearly a third, rising from 44.1 million (6% of Europe?s total population) in 2010 to 58.2 million (8%) in 2030". Taken from the Pew Foundation press release for the report.

I will leave you to berate the Guardian journalists for their use of the subjunctive.

[Alex L]

OEJ "its all been said so many times before...Now lets go get a pint before the bar shuts"

Amen to that! (or equivalent)

[Toliverwist]

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David Johnson
Date: 09-18-12 17:25

The reason I reference the Pew Report is twofold:

1. They are a respected organisation.

2. Their figures in no way support the assertion made by Max that Europe will be majority Muslim by 2050.

3. E.g. "The Muslim share of Europe?s population is expected to grow by nearly a third, rising from 44.1 million (6% of Europe?s total population) in 2010 to 58.2 million (8%) in 2030". Taken from the Pew Foundation press release for the report.

I will leave you to berate the Guardian journalists for their use of the subjunctive.
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I linked to the Pew report: You linked to the Guardian article. I understand your good intentions, but it was unfortunate to link to a subjective extrapolation rather than the real thing.

As for use of the subjunctive, it is the Pew research centre that employs that mood. The Guardian article attempts to morph the subjunctive into the concrete.

[David Johnson]

"As for use of the subjunctive, it is the Pew research centre that employs that mood. The Guardian article attempts to morph the subjunctive into the concrete."

Ideal! You can berate both the Pew Research centre and the Guardian journalists who, earlier posts suggest, you are not happy with!!!

I'm happy because I made my point disputing Max's assertion that Europe will be majority Muslim by 2050.

No more to be said by me to you on this topic.

[Sam Slater]

It's there in black and white, Liz.

[max_tranmere]

I've read with interest all that has been said and I guess it is impossible to completely predict the future. However, immigration is very high, a lot of muslims have arrived, their birth rate is higher than most other communities here, so it seems accurate to say that they will make up a much larger proportion of the population in the future than now. Their kids and their kids' kids seem certain to breed at a greater rate than other communities (because the current generation of muslims here do), so the likelihood of us eventually being majority muslim seems a fair and reasonable prediction. As I said earlier, one can debate about when that might. Maybe my statement of 'by the middle of this century' is incorrect, but it seems certain it will happen. I agree with what some have said here about how not all muslims are intolerant of western ways, a lot seem to be however, and that is concerning.

[David Johnson]

"As I said earlier, one can debate about when that might. Maybe my statement of 'by the middle of this century' is incorrect, but it seems certain it will happen."

No it isn't "certain", Max any more than it is "inevitable". A prediction will only actually happen if the parameters and statistics used at the time the prediction was made, actually stay the same or similar e.g. Muslim birth rate similar, no increase in European non-Muslim immigration, no big increase in returning English people from overseas, no transfer from economic slump to ongoing depression etc etc. etc etc.

For example, Maximilian, apparently Irish emigration is currently at the level experienced in the Irish famine of the 1840s due to the end of the Celtic tiger boom.

If you had made a prediction of Irish emigration for 2012 at the height of the Celtic Tiger boom in say, 2004 do you think that you would have predicted that just 8 years later you would get the highest emigration figures since the Famine? I don't think so. And that shows how predictions can go awry in just 8 years.

[welkram]

NOT IN MY LITTLE CORNER OF 'THIS SCEPTRED ISLE' IT WON'T.

[Dave Wells]

Atheism FUCKING ROOLS man !