Essex Lad
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:35 am
"I think Lizard meant those around today."
Do you? Nothing in his post would indicate that.
"Unemployment was going down (and indeed still is) because Brown put huge swathes of people on the public payroll. "
In 2008, 19.6 per cent of all jobs were in the public sector. In 1997, it was 19.5 per cent. Even in 2010 , the proportion of public sector jobs remains lower than it was at the end of the early nineties recession: 23.1 per cent of jobs were in the public sector in 1992, compared with 21 per cent. The Tories were as reliant on public sector employment as Labour.
By the way I noticed that you utterly failed to respond to my point "In the last 9 months under Boy George, the economy has flatlined. It is a
whisker away from a double dip recession." Any comments?
"Labour inherited an incredibly strong economy in 1997"
Oh really! if that was the case why was the deficit generally bigger under the Tories of Thatcher and Major than under the Labour government prior the GLOBAL recession of 2009 onwards?
"The Sun did not hack Brown's phone to get the Fraser story. It was a tip-off from a member of the public. Brown says that he and Mrs Brown cried after the call from Rebekah Brooks. The same Rebekah Brooks for whom Sarah Brown arranged a 40th birthday party and who had "sleepovers" at Chequers."
No-one is denying that both Labour and Tory governments kowtowed to Murdoch. That does not invalidate in any way the point I am making i.e. if Brown had said, dont print this story, would it have had an effect?
"How many people could name/recognise any of the MPs/peers jailed? Gordon Brown fiddled his exes, so did H. Blears, M. Beckett, A. Darling, E. Balls, Y. Cooper as well as numerous Tories and Liberals. Funny how none of the big names got sent down"
You are showing a complete lack of understanding of what the expenses scandal was about. The problem with the expenses scandal, is that there were few, if any guidelines as to what could/could not be claimed i.e. gardening expenses etc etc so MPs took advantage of very weak, almost non-existent regulation. Nor is "flipping" your primary residence to take advantage of expenses a criminal offence which is why MPs were not charged in a law court. Those MPs who were charged were people who had been fraudulent i.e. invented substantial expenses with forged receipts that they had never actually incurred.
CHeers
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Do you? Nothing in his post would indicate that.
"Unemployment was going down (and indeed still is) because Brown put huge swathes of people on the public payroll. "
In 2008, 19.6 per cent of all jobs were in the public sector. In 1997, it was 19.5 per cent. Even in 2010 , the proportion of public sector jobs remains lower than it was at the end of the early nineties recession: 23.1 per cent of jobs were in the public sector in 1992, compared with 21 per cent. The Tories were as reliant on public sector employment as Labour.
By the way I noticed that you utterly failed to respond to my point "In the last 9 months under Boy George, the economy has flatlined. It is a
whisker away from a double dip recession." Any comments?
"Labour inherited an incredibly strong economy in 1997"
Oh really! if that was the case why was the deficit generally bigger under the Tories of Thatcher and Major than under the Labour government prior the GLOBAL recession of 2009 onwards?
"The Sun did not hack Brown's phone to get the Fraser story. It was a tip-off from a member of the public. Brown says that he and Mrs Brown cried after the call from Rebekah Brooks. The same Rebekah Brooks for whom Sarah Brown arranged a 40th birthday party and who had "sleepovers" at Chequers."
No-one is denying that both Labour and Tory governments kowtowed to Murdoch. That does not invalidate in any way the point I am making i.e. if Brown had said, dont print this story, would it have had an effect?
"How many people could name/recognise any of the MPs/peers jailed? Gordon Brown fiddled his exes, so did H. Blears, M. Beckett, A. Darling, E. Balls, Y. Cooper as well as numerous Tories and Liberals. Funny how none of the big names got sent down"
You are showing a complete lack of understanding of what the expenses scandal was about. The problem with the expenses scandal, is that there were few, if any guidelines as to what could/could not be claimed i.e. gardening expenses etc etc so MPs took advantage of very weak, almost non-existent regulation. Nor is "flipping" your primary residence to take advantage of expenses a criminal offence which is why MPs were not charged in a law court. Those MPs who were charged were people who had been fraudulent i.e. invented substantial expenses with forged receipts that they had never actually incurred.
CHeers
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