Support the use of condoms in the uk porn biz

[videokim]

Hi Tanya

Yes you can catch std's through oral & like you said eyes, we hand out leaflets on a regular basis for our local gum clinic. The point i was making is that certs without condoms are not worth a light when not used together, the risk of oral without is there but far more reduced. How many people do you know who have actually caught anything from oral? as i said earlier in 12 years i have never had a STD & i have had countless facials/cum in mouth etc from groups & bukkakes, without cumshots porn would dry up so some chances have to be taken. We don't work with people who do bareback as they are to risky for us as they seem to catch more STD's than people who use condoms & have certs.

Kim

[KazB]

Quote:


"Author: Clinic Express
Date: 06-04-09 12:44

If enough people are interested, I would be prepared to post Certs on a Secure Server (accessable via username & password) for the 30 days that they are valid for.

The online version would for obvious reasons, be a scanned copy of the original document.

www.clinic-express.co.uk"

[Tanya Cox]

Kim,

ive caught an infection 5 times since ive been in this industry and 3 of these times, had the infection only in my throat - due to 9 times out of 10 doing a facial or cim popshot.

some1 else has also posted that they caught an infection from receiving a non-protected blow job.
(see sti warning post )

if your using certs too then that is fine, but some people are thinking it's ok to do pen with owo without certs

by doing this you are only protecting yourself from blood infections,
gonorrohoea & chlamydia can just as easily be passed from oral - infact it's were the cum shot is done where there is more chance of infection.

Myself and many other performers have caught infections in our throats.

I assume the reason you have been lucky - is because you have the good sence to insist on both certs & protection been used, and are avoiding working with bareback workers.

as ive said - ive thought about giving up bare back if these infections keep reocurring but i will also be insisting on protection been used for oral and will only then except boob, stomach or feet pop shot's.

[Tanya Cox]

Thats a great idea express clinic,

how do we add our support?

xxx

[planeterotica]

When i first started shooting porn years ago nobody had certs and you just did it bareback and accepted the risk until aids came along, and this is the thing the first certs required in the adult industry were just HIV certs which were valid for 3 months it then progressed to the full STD cert valid for 30 days, some of you are mentioning not doing oral without a condom and why i agree that any stds is bad news but HIV is the one that is feared the most but you can catch this merely by snogging a carrier so do you propose to wear condoms on your tongues, maybe i should by speaking out like this but performers will just find themselves out of work by insisting on condoms as there will be plenty of others to willing to jump in and go bareback there always is even in the days when aids was going to wipe us all out there were girls willing to take the extra shilling to go unprotected, Kim says she still has good film sells using condoms but Kim would have good sells whatever as she is a lovely lady who has captured the niche swingers market who do engage in safe sex, all i can suggest is to be vigilant and to scrutinise a fellow performers certs and if in doubt throw out.

[Keiranlee]

OEJ is right, what happens if the condom splits...

OEJ is right again, what happens when is comes to the cum shot?? Have to say Kaz it would get pretty boring a guy just shooting his load on the girls boobs..

End of day AIM in in the UK is the only way forward..

[KazB]

Yet no one seems to want to work with the clinics?

Can any performers who would be prepared to go on the database put their names here please? Clinic Express are offering us a chance to chnage the way the UK works and protect our future.

I'll start

Kaz B



(PS: If you had a cut in your mouth and snogged someone with the HIV virus and lots of saliva was exchanged you would be more likely to contact HIV....but it's not as high risk as abrasive sex. Hence gay sex is in fact slightly riskier (than vaginal penetration) as anal sex is more abrasive - less hetero's tend to have anal sex or at least less frequently.

[videokim]

I can't believe people trash the idea of condoms & then go on about AIM, condoms should be a must as well & until that time how many people will take anything else serious. Certs are not 100% so add that with condoms & you start to get a safer enviroment, this thread as proved male stars & producers are all for no condoms & the e-mails i have had from females agree with me condoms should be used.
As its a male dominated industry & the guys will have there way as usual because if they can't preform with condoms there are no films & it makes the whole thing a farce.
We are asked to listen about AIM & then when a girl asks a question like 'condoms' i'm amazed how everyone comes down on her regarding that she is talking as much sense as a data bank.
Girls that have e-mailed me are frightened that if they have their say on here it will effect their chances of work so a united UK is a long way off until the bullying stops.

Kim xx

[one eyed jack]

Kim there is no bullying going on where producers are concerned. They mainly hire people who can do the job. if they dont want to do it they find someone else who will. If anything the main enemy of this issue is apathy.

This was clearly evident when the time came around to show their support and only two performers inthe UK performing pool actually showed up at the meeting out of dozens who were invited. Mind you a lot of the producers who supported it didnt even turn up to this most crucial meeting either. The excuses ranged from "Ive got work on that day" to "Ive got a business to run"

If the models dont care about their health then why should producers? We are not their parents. I can speak only for those at UKAP and a few other companies I know who care but this issue really is seen as one of those things that people cant be bothered to deal with otherwise the models could have banded together and made a difference.

Im glad to see someone else waivng the flag but i cannot support the condoms issue because it would be wrong considering I mainly shoot couples and how stupid would it look if a genuine couple used condoms.

I only support it when third parties are involved in scenes and insit on using condoms because i know this is a reality and not just for show and I have never had any one complain for that same reason.

Furthermore, you say no one objects to condom use but you are merely speaking for the few who are in agreement. You have cornered a nice niche in the swingers category and it makes perfect sense for swingers to use condoms.

Im not sure the same rule will apply in pro porn where acrobatics and fireworks are a staple ingredient that adds to the fantasy of hard core. I can almost see a lot of people voting with teir wallets to buy product with no condoms.

Someone mentioned the gladiators in the arena thing earlier. You are right. Porn stars are like gladiators and thats how the general public see them.

Can we change how they see this? Yes of course but then the fun will go right out of the window for many and they will seek their fantasies elsewhere with who ever provides it.

Lets not judge everyone by our own yard stick here. The majority of people your comments are levelled at dont even know this discussion is going on right now..and probably wouldnt care for it anyway.

[MelodyChase]

Planeterotica, You cant actually catch HIV by snogging alone whatsoever. (in a rare occasion that both people have cuts in there mouth and the virus has managed to survive which is practically unheard of)

In fact if you read any research done on HIV and how it is actually transmitted, you will see that a mouth to mouth transfer is virtually impossible either by snogging, sucking cock, or licking a pussy, for a mouth to mouth transfer by kissing alone, both parties would have to have a cut in there mouth. Another thing to bear in mind is that HIV struggles to live in the mouth anyway, due to all the acids and bacteria that live in the mouth therefore making a mouth transfer by sucking cock or licking a pussy near damn impossible.

I did a hell of alot of research on all forms of stis/stds and hiv when I was considering doing porn myself, I was actually amazed at what was fact and what wasnt, does make quite interesting reading.

However I decided that the risk wasnt worth it for me to do bareback with anyone regardless of whether they have been tested or not. So will stick to bareback with my partner only thanks very much.

just thought id mention what I know, not that its of relevance because testing is and always should be on everyones mind ALL THE TIME.

Hope you dont mind me saying, dont want to cause any offense at all
melodyx