Unemployment

[Essex Lad]

Gator wrote:

> The whole process of getting a job is completely fucked from
> top to bottom these days.
>
> In the FOUR YEARS that I have been unemployed I have been for
> 50 or so interviews (out of thousands of applications) and in
> that time I have been interviewed mainly by women. Only a
> couple were by men.

Perhaps that's because Personnel is and always has been a female-dominated field.

>
> And here is the stinger:
>
> Women WILL NOT hire men. Women feel threatened by men. They
> know how to control and manipulate other women. Men who DO get
> the job will more than likely be gay, and therefor not a threat
> to them.

I suspect you will find just as many women who will say that women will not hire women especially those who are younger/prettier/sexier than they are.

>
> Don't believe me. Walk into your local Boots or Semi Chem.
> Count how many male employees there are. Take a stroll down
> your high street (what's left of it) and count all the
> employees you see and then work out the male/female ratio.

No idea what Semi Chem is but shop work has always been female led. When I had a Saturday job in a newsagents in the early 80s there was the male manager, male assistant manager, me, another teenage boy and six girls. In the week there were 11 women. I have just got back from the big shop at Asda ? everyone on the tills was a woman. Also shop work is for the most part poorly paid and I think even today women earn about 70% of what their male counterparts do. In addition, many shop jobs are part-time ? mornings, afternoons or evenings and not 9-5, which allows women with children to work around their childcare needs.

>
> I went for a long induction with Lloyds a while back. It was a
> large call centre in which I observed about 300 staff members.
> At least 240 of them were women. That's 80%. This is not merely
> coincidence...this is positive discrimination working against
> itself. All the supervisors were female, most of the men I saw
> were extremely camp, and the induction was held by a committee
> of women. I did not get that job.

I doubt call centre staff are any better paid than shop workers so the same point as above would apply. Women will work for lower wages than men.

>
> A month earlier...I went for a job interview with Amazon. I
> nailed the interview, took charge of the group activities etc.
> I was interviewed by...a committee of women. I did not get that
> job.
>
> I went for a job interview at a library. It was 9:30 in the
> morning. I was interviewed by 2 middle-aged women. There was no
> way in hell they were going to give me that job. One of them
> was pissed already.

I went last year to do some work in a library and was interviewed by a woman... and I did get the job.

>
> Another factor that needs to be abolished is the fact that a
> bad manager will not hire someone who is smarter than them. A
> good manager will surround themselves with someone who they
> feel is equal to them and will drive their company forward. A
> poor manager, out of fear of being usurped, will deliberately
> surround themselves with people that they feel are inferior to
> them. They want to impress their superiors, they don't want you
> to.
>
This I agree with.


> Something else that is becoming more common is for employers to
> ask for a recent pic when submitting an application form. This
> ought to be illegal as it can lead to premature judgement of
> one's character based on their appearance. It's just plain
> wrong.

I have never been asked for this but I suppose that now that they can't ask your age, marital status, religion, colour, sexuality etc they have to discriminate somehow...


> The people doing the interviews don't really want someone who
> will be good at the job, or someone who has experience and
> knows what they are doing, they just want someone who will do
> what they are told.

That depends entirely on what job you are applying for but I don't think that's true. What would be the point of hiring someone who was really bad? It would make the hirer look daft.


If you have a decent education they will
> feel threatened by that and will not take you on board.

Not sure "threatened" ? more fear that you will show them up or more likely you will get bored and leave and they have to start the whole recruitment process over again.
>
> And that is why there is so much dysfunction in virtually every
> workplace.
>
> And that is why the world is so fucked-up.

[Arginald Valleywater]

Never met a male HR manager. Almost a closed shop to men.

[Flipper]

Did you ever answer the question Altruist? When asked "how do you feel about following orders?" You walked out? I always spin it and say "Well that depends on the order and the person giving the order. Is this a military establishment? I need to ask incase its some death camp you are running here"

I say orders are for the military. I prefer kind encouragement. If I drop my Dolphin shenanigans for a moment, I too got destroyed by female HR bitches. Shred em up and turn into crab sticks.

[Flipper]

Men are too nice