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Another brilliant idea from America. Please read why texan's should not be given guns.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman

Sam Slater wrote:

> [quote]Because I believe in freedom. It would be as wrong to
> force people to be armed as it is to force them to be
> defenceless against their will.[/quote]
>
> But you're forcing under 21s to put trust in the over 21s to
> protect them. You're forcing students to be in constant contact
> with gun-wielding colleagues. Where's the freedom to choose if
> you want to be in such an environment? Like I said further up
> the thread, the students themselves overwhelmingly do not want
> their fellow students to have the right to bring guns into
> class. The students seem to be having this forced on them.
> Where's their freedom to be gun-free? If they're that concerned
> about getting shot on campus then maybe college isn't for them.
> Home-teaching or learning online is probably best. That way the
> rest of the normal kids can go about their college life as most
> other students around the globe do.
>
> On a personal level I wouldn't want fellow students carrying
> weapons in their pants or rucksacks. No sirreee. I'd rather be
> gun-free and just take my chances.
>
> I've cleaned my gun properly cos I'm a good lad, but Sally, who
> sits across from me in Physics is VERY forgetful. Scatterbrain
> we call her. I know her gun's in her bag and she throws that
> bag all over the place in a clumsy manner. Has she remembered
> to put the safety on? Is it pointing at me right now through
> her bag? I'd have this worry not only in physics but every
> other fucking class because I'm surrounded by guns. Every
> morning and afternoon and even through bloody lunch. Young
> adults telling jokes, arguing, wrestling and giving eachother
> dead arms and getting drunk at night........all carrying guns.
> Yeah, I'd feel MUCH safer!
>
> What's that little idiom now?: The types of people that want to
> own a gun and carry it around everywhere they go are the exact
> types of people that shouldn't have access to guns.
>
>


I see that "teenagers" have now become "young adults", glad you have taken on board at least one fact.

I think this whole debate is somewhat skewed by terminology. The Texas law does not let "students" carry guns, it merely allows adults over 21 who also happen to be students to carry guns the same as other adults over 21. The fact that you don't like it, and are coming up with increasingly bizarre scenarios, is neither here nor there, this is a law decided by the elected representatives in Texas. If Texans don't like it, they'll vote them out.

Bizarre scenarios? You're the one telling me we'll have a bunch of gun-toting students with guns, over 21, being bodyguards to another bunch of students without guns, under 21. You're the one that's advocating checkout girls in Walmart packing M14s. And you call my scenarios bizarre because I point out I'd be a bit fucking worried sat in a class full of hormonal young students packing more weaponry than the local police station?

The only bizarre thing round here is your logic, mate. Sorry.

Yes, that all sounds pretty bizarre to me. Adult people with the appropriate legal permits are not "gun toting", they are licensed concealed carry holders, whether they are in a campus, off campus, or a checkout clerk. This is legal in 43 of the 50 states, and experience has shown it causes no problem at all, so your worries do seem bizarre, inasmuch as they are not supported by evidence and experience. Sorry if you don't like that, but that's just the way it is.

I don't see how my scenarios are bizarre, though. What's bizarre about pointing out people carrying guns are more likely to shoot others? They can't shoot others without guns, obviously. People do silly things during petty arguments and young people in colleges argue.....as we all do.

Just a quick google shows gun incidents after everyday arguments:

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DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. -- A man was rushed into emergency surgery Tuesday night after being shot several times in a confrontation with another man at a Daytona Beach apartment complex.
Authorities said the man's condition improved to stable on Wednesday morning.

Investigators said a woman, along with several other people, went into the apartment complex to retrieve some things from her ex-boyfriend's home.
Police said the woman's new boyfriend, identified as Brandon Barker, showed up and pointed a gun at the homeowner, identified as Jonathan Lunn, who also grabbed a gun and shot the victim three times, according to police.



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Killeen man shot in stomach after argument

By: Ryan McCarthy

KILLEEN - A man is in the hospital after being shot in the stomach Sunday afternoon. Police say the shooting happened around 3:30 p.m. in the 100 block of W.S. Young.

A 40-year-old man was arguing with another man and was shot in the stomach. The shooter jumped off a balcony and took off.

The victim had to have emergency surgery and is in stable condition



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Man shot in head after OC restaurant argument
Monday, February 14, 2011

SANTA ANA, Calif. (KABC) -- The search is on for a shooter in Santa Ana after police said a confrontation at a restaurant ended with a man being shot in the head.

The shooting happened around 10 p.m. Sunday in the parking lot of Mariscos La Ola on the 1700 block of McFadden Avenue at Lyon Street.

Officials said an argument inside the restaurant led to the shooting.

The victim, Esteban Navarrete, 35, was having dinner with friends when there was a confrontation. Navarrete's brother said there was a verbal fight inside the restaurant about which state in Mexico was better.

The fight became physical in the parking lot. Navarrete and his wife tried to leave to avoid the fight. As they got into their car, two suspects approached them and fired several shots, hitting Navarrete in the head.



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Man fatally shot in head, stomach after argument over beer, Sheriff says

LANCASTER - A 67-year-old man is behind bars after Lancaster County Sheriff's deputies say he shot and killed a man after the two argued about drinking beer.

According to the Lancaster County Sheriff's Office, 55-year-old Ernest Lee Cunningham, of Heath Springs, was found with multiple gunshots inside a home on the 900 block of Louisa Street on Saturday night. Deputies were called out to the home for a report of shots fired and found Cunningham "slouched over in a chair to the left of the door. [He was] bleeding from [his] head, mouth and stomach.

Deputies checked Cunningham, who was unresponsive, and he was later pronounced dead at the scene."



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Man fatally shot in head after argument on S. Side street

A 31-year-old man was fatally shot in the head during an altercation with several other men on a South Side street Saturday afternoon.

The man -- identified as Lorenzo Beck, of the 6000 block of S. St. Lawrence Ave., according to the Cook County Medical Examiner?s office -- was on the street in the 5900 block of South Laflin Street about 3:50 p.m. when he became involved in a verbal altercation with several other males, a report from police News Affairs said. One of those men took out a gun and shot Beck in the head. The men then fled in a blue Chrysler 300 north on Laflin, according to police.

Beck was taken to Stroger Hospital, where he was pronounced dead at 4:21 p.m., according to the medical examiner?s office.



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Suspect Arrested In Fatal Madison Shooting

NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- Police have arrested a suspect in connection with a fatal shooting in Madison on Monday.
Antonio Kelly, 19, was shot and killed while visiting his sister on Rio Vista Drive.
Officers said Kelly got into an argument with Gregory Dotson, 27, at the apartment and Dotson opened fire with an assault rifle and ran away.
Kelley was hit in the stomach and died.



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I don't think I'm the one dreaming up bizarre scenarios, Robches. The above is just what I found on the first page of Google for the month of February. I'm sure there are many more.

Again, my belief is that students carrying guns on college campuses will lead to more deaths per year than gun-free campuses. What's the point of trying to protect them from 'nutters' every 5-10 years when the biggest danger to their lives will be themselves and their friends? Nothing bizarre about my views at all.

I guess Beckham is hoping that Ashley Cole doesn't move stateside to join LA Galaxy.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011 ... dent-rifle

Cheers
D

I believe that because Chelsea's training ground is a gun-free zone, it is dangerous and Ashley is within his rights to protect himself. I blame the young trainee that was shot because if he'd have brought his own gun then this accident would never have happened.

Jesus, David, your scenarios involving Beckham are really bizarre!

Sam:

Did any of these stories concern people with concealed carry permits? I doubt it. The first state to issue permits was Florida in 1987 iirc, and at the time there was much talk of wild west shoot outs over fender benders, but it didn't happen. In every state which has since issued carry permits there was the same talk, and then it didn't happen. As I said, 43 states now issue concealed carry permits. Anyone who commits a crime (not necessarily anything to do with guns) has the permit revoked, and again, iirc, in Florida the rate of revocation is about 0.1%. The sort of people likely to shoot someone over a fender bender are not the people who go to the trouble of obtaining a permit to carry legally.

As for Ashley Cole, a complete twat I'm sure we can all agree, but he was demonstrating the dangers of handling a gun without any sort of training (or common sense). Pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger because you "think it isn't loaded" is an act of infantile stupidity, but he's important to Chelsea, so he gets a slap on the wrist.