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Hold up Eric...Iagree with you but lets not trivialise that lady.

We wouldnt understand because we are blokes. We wouldnt understand the psychological hold of fear because what we may fear we know we would put a chair in the fuckers head and have no shame in making away quick fast with no shame to the game.

Hey man, if the odds aint equal. Fight dirty. Thats how you deal with knuckle heads like Moat who wouldnt think twice pulling your arms and legs out of your sockets.

Chicks have to wait till the guy goes to sleep...But I tink then its premeditated and they cant run as fast with kids.

Oh dear...Me advocating violence.

Sometimes its a necessary evil

If the world is a slightly better place without Moat still breathing, then why do you persist in talking about the fucker? !idontbelieveit!

I take it you're using the word "lady" in its loosest connotation, Jack - have you seen the state of her? !laugh!

Sorry but I have no sympathy for women who stay with violent thugs like Moat for years on end, and then complain about it afterwards when they end up in hospital, pitifully playing the "victim" card.

The bloke's a violent wrong 'un? Get out at the earliest opportunity.

There are always ways & means - the "I only stayed for the sake of the kids" excuse that's commonly trotted out only has so much mileage in it (given that a woman's no good to her kids when laid up in traction, shot to shit or dead). And *anything* has to be better than the outcome of this sorry saga.

She must have known what Moat was like, what he was capable of and how it could all end up. So my sympathy is reserved for the copper who Moat blinded, and the family of the bloke he killed.

Her master plan didn't really work out too well in the end, did it?

- Eric

I got to agree with you man. You are spot on but I cant help but feel it is more complicated than that. Not for us blokes though because i honestly think in this situation we as a species may be dumb in some aspects but certainly logical in affairs of the heart.

Just seen to many cases to be as dismissive and this whole feeling of being trapped is some posioned shit in a womans mind that isinstilled in her from breaking away from this train of thought.

She was very irresponsible for telling Raoul Moat (sounds like a dirty soup) that she was getting banged like a copper.

Fuck jher man. You are right! but I dont want to be dismissive of all similar cases.

Most times these women saty with those guys because of fear but why do women seek ouit and want to associate themselves with known killers like Richard Ramirez (the night stalker) and the Peter Sutcliffe types?

I've heard it s a sex thing. That playing with danger thing. That a man could take your life and psychologically must be dark enough to be sexually interesting from the regular normal guy.

Fucked up is what it is

I suppose if the violence was really bad to start with, which could account for staying put, fear is a powerful thing. But, also taking into account is the "love" they had, depending on how much she "loved him" back at the onset of the abuse, she could have hung around hoping he'd change, but by the time she would have realised, too late & fear prevented her, until they did split after 5 years.

His girlfriend egged him on about shagging the cop he blinded him for nothing now shes selling her story to the press

Now that is a good idea.
But don't forget, I did write a knackeed ship, which would not be a waste as it would be no use, except I suppose for making razor blades.

Well, if that method was used, at least (depending on it's depth @ time of sinking) it could be used as an artificial reef or scuba diving/submersible training area, etc !wicked! !grin!

I bet Face Book would have been quick to delete a page that said RIP RAOUL MOAT YOU CUNT!

I mean they said they left the page up because people have a right to exercise their opinion.

Well most people think he is a cunt so its valid right?

I net that wouldnt get a mention on the News At Ten

Spot on Terry