Why pay a porn producer for porn when I can book a shoot with a model directly? Sure, one could argue that it's more expensive, but not that much considering that you get exactly what you want and something that no one else will have.
Or directly booking the same model for cam session.
I got tired of spam from joining sites. Tired of having my information sold. Etc.
Why pay for porn?
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Dickie Davies
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Re: Why pay for porn?
Brazzers has a good number of UK girls on it now.
I'm a member of several sites,including Reality Kings and Brazzers, and I buy DVDs too, usually in Soho when I'm up there (proper DVDs, I hasten to add).
I pay because I enjoy what these sites/companies do and want to support them in doing more of it. Bottom line, I want to see good porn continue to be produced.
I'm a member of several sites,including Reality Kings and Brazzers, and I buy DVDs too, usually in Soho when I'm up there (proper DVDs, I hasten to add).
I pay because I enjoy what these sites/companies do and want to support them in doing more of it. Bottom line, I want to see good porn continue to be produced.
Re: Why pay for porn?
sadly i don't think we'll ever see a predominantly uk girl based site with the scale/scope of the likes of reality kings/brazzers/naughty america, certainly not now. While american pornstars appeal to a large audience here in the uk i don't think the reverse is true as shown by the limited success of our girls in america.
And a round of applause for the bloke who slated adultwork, too true mate it's a pile of crap.
And a round of applause for the bloke who slated adultwork, too true mate it's a pile of crap.
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rexwantinsex
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Re: Why pay for porn?
unfortunately, I agree with m100.... there will never be a UK based website with the scale of Brazzers/Naughty America/21Sextury etc because quite frankly, the impression I get from producers is that they've given up bothering to compete....
either they're not able to afford to compete on that level (in which case, just admit that you can't afford to compete and accept the British industry will always be seen as "amateur" compared to the American industry) or the British industry has already died a death, and all we're left with are the dregs....
it's a shame that there won't be a "best of British" site simply because no-one seems to aspire to be at that level, everyone seems to be content to be seen a second class compared to the American and European markets, they have pornstars who look like absolute models, yeah a lot have fake boobs etc, but their girls LOOK like models, they dress in designer clothes just to go shopping and are constantly at the gym etc, whereas many British "actresses" seem to be bored housewives who do porn and webcam as something to pass their afternoons...
Adultwork is a complete joke - why would I want to pay my money to see grainy footage of UK pornstars doing a webcam show?? here's a ?25 webcam that offers full 1080p resolution - http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/trust-1080p-hd-webcam-a60kw
if you genuinely wanted to make some money and offer punters something that looks professional in this day and age, you'd spend ?25 on buying some kit to do the job! if your webcam is grainy poor quality, you're sending the wrong message to punters, it's not "gritty" or "realistic" porn, it says "I can't be arsed to invest in this venture, but I'll take your cash anyway..."
a lot of the British girls who do Adultwork shows now do them during the working day, I know Cate Harrington gave up the "porn" to do webcams for other reasons, but if I wanted to watch her doing a live show at 9pm, I can't.... she's on when I'm at work - so when will I have the opportunity to "invest" my money into her career now? the target market is either unemployed people, or people on a night-shift who aren't sleeping at the time! I have no idea about the longevity of such a "career" in webcam work, but it can't be that great compared to the possibility of working at a time when most working people are available to spend their money on watching your shows.... but that's just my personal opinion
for the future, if your site does not offer full 1080p downloadable videos, with unlimited downloads included in the monthly membership (no "rentals", actual "ownership" of the scene) then I will happily go elsewhere because the bigger sites do offer this....
Brazzers, Bangbros, Naughty America, 21Sextury, Reality Kings, ZTOD, Jules Jordan, Evil Angel, Killergram - all of the above offer what I want, and at reasonable rates - unfortunately that means there's more emphasis on the Euro/US market in my opinion but frankly, they're the world leaders right now, and the Brits just can't be arsed trying to keep up....
OEJ makes a good point about the future of this industry is "social" - it may well be, but right now, the "social" aspect for the UK scene is Adultwork and they don't seem to look at what a punter expects as a minimum standard, so unless Adultwork start changing their own business model, they will never see a penny from me because it's not worth it.... (in my opinion)
I pay for what I WANT to see, I'm not a fool with money, I shop around and when I see something I like (21Sextury for example) then I will happily sign up, but I have a minimum level of expectation of what I personally want to do, I want to subscribe, download a video and watch it on my TV in glorious 1080p - I don't understand how any website offering streaming only can see that as a genuine business model - your punters will simply go to Pornhub and save themselves the subscription fee!
either they're not able to afford to compete on that level (in which case, just admit that you can't afford to compete and accept the British industry will always be seen as "amateur" compared to the American industry) or the British industry has already died a death, and all we're left with are the dregs....
it's a shame that there won't be a "best of British" site simply because no-one seems to aspire to be at that level, everyone seems to be content to be seen a second class compared to the American and European markets, they have pornstars who look like absolute models, yeah a lot have fake boobs etc, but their girls LOOK like models, they dress in designer clothes just to go shopping and are constantly at the gym etc, whereas many British "actresses" seem to be bored housewives who do porn and webcam as something to pass their afternoons...
Adultwork is a complete joke - why would I want to pay my money to see grainy footage of UK pornstars doing a webcam show?? here's a ?25 webcam that offers full 1080p resolution - http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/trust-1080p-hd-webcam-a60kw
if you genuinely wanted to make some money and offer punters something that looks professional in this day and age, you'd spend ?25 on buying some kit to do the job! if your webcam is grainy poor quality, you're sending the wrong message to punters, it's not "gritty" or "realistic" porn, it says "I can't be arsed to invest in this venture, but I'll take your cash anyway..."
a lot of the British girls who do Adultwork shows now do them during the working day, I know Cate Harrington gave up the "porn" to do webcams for other reasons, but if I wanted to watch her doing a live show at 9pm, I can't.... she's on when I'm at work - so when will I have the opportunity to "invest" my money into her career now? the target market is either unemployed people, or people on a night-shift who aren't sleeping at the time! I have no idea about the longevity of such a "career" in webcam work, but it can't be that great compared to the possibility of working at a time when most working people are available to spend their money on watching your shows.... but that's just my personal opinion
for the future, if your site does not offer full 1080p downloadable videos, with unlimited downloads included in the monthly membership (no "rentals", actual "ownership" of the scene) then I will happily go elsewhere because the bigger sites do offer this....
Brazzers, Bangbros, Naughty America, 21Sextury, Reality Kings, ZTOD, Jules Jordan, Evil Angel, Killergram - all of the above offer what I want, and at reasonable rates - unfortunately that means there's more emphasis on the Euro/US market in my opinion but frankly, they're the world leaders right now, and the Brits just can't be arsed trying to keep up....
OEJ makes a good point about the future of this industry is "social" - it may well be, but right now, the "social" aspect for the UK scene is Adultwork and they don't seem to look at what a punter expects as a minimum standard, so unless Adultwork start changing their own business model, they will never see a penny from me because it's not worth it.... (in my opinion)
I pay for what I WANT to see, I'm not a fool with money, I shop around and when I see something I like (21Sextury for example) then I will happily sign up, but I have a minimum level of expectation of what I personally want to do, I want to subscribe, download a video and watch it on my TV in glorious 1080p - I don't understand how any website offering streaming only can see that as a genuine business model - your punters will simply go to Pornhub and save themselves the subscription fee!
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rexwantinsex
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Re: Why pay for porn?
p.s. I know that Killergram is the British site in my list above, but it's the ONLY British site I would consider subscribing to again!
unfortunately I won't bother now, because their content has dropped - stars like Michelle Thorne, Cate Harrington, Angel Long, Kerry Louise, Michelle B, Jennifer Keelings have all gone their separate ways, Killergram doesn't seem interested in making a lesbian only theme so Katie K will never work with them on a regular basis, so we're left with a bunch of newbies who seem to do a lot of "dogging" (I always understood dogging to be more than just a BJ in a park, Killergram differ in their opinion somewhat...!) but they do offer a daily scene, something I've not seen anywhere else in the UK market unfortunately...
but I do view them as British, they're just the only company I would consider joining if they managed to bring in the "bigger" names like Michelle Moist/Barrett/Thorne or girls like Katie K and Tanya Tate more often
unfortunately I won't bother now, because their content has dropped - stars like Michelle Thorne, Cate Harrington, Angel Long, Kerry Louise, Michelle B, Jennifer Keelings have all gone their separate ways, Killergram doesn't seem interested in making a lesbian only theme so Katie K will never work with them on a regular basis, so we're left with a bunch of newbies who seem to do a lot of "dogging" (I always understood dogging to be more than just a BJ in a park, Killergram differ in their opinion somewhat...!) but they do offer a daily scene, something I've not seen anywhere else in the UK market unfortunately...
but I do view them as British, they're just the only company I would consider joining if they managed to bring in the "bigger" names like Michelle Moist/Barrett/Thorne or girls like Katie K and Tanya Tate more often
Re: Why pay for porn?
that's the best post i've read on here this year!
Re: Why pay for porn?
m1000 / rexwantinsex,
To be fair, guys, there are many more girls available to the US and mainland European industries than there are here in the UK, and in the case of the latter especially the Eastern European girls are, on average, prettier. The markets that these industries operate in are also much less restrictive, which effects economies of scale.
But you're absolutely right about 1080p downloads, rex. It seems to me to be basic common sense to offer that level of download service on any subscription porn site, and appropriately respectful to its members. It would surely increase the appeal of the site as well, now that it's becoming so straightforward for non-techy punters to view downloaded content on their TV screen. If that content is entertaining and competitive then I can only see the increased availability of full HD scenes as being a welcome positive for website owners. Piracy's here to stay but so is the demand for top-quality product and customer service.
To be fair, guys, there are many more girls available to the US and mainland European industries than there are here in the UK, and in the case of the latter especially the Eastern European girls are, on average, prettier. The markets that these industries operate in are also much less restrictive, which effects economies of scale.
But you're absolutely right about 1080p downloads, rex. It seems to me to be basic common sense to offer that level of download service on any subscription porn site, and appropriately respectful to its members. It would surely increase the appeal of the site as well, now that it's becoming so straightforward for non-techy punters to view downloaded content on their TV screen. If that content is entertaining and competitive then I can only see the increased availability of full HD scenes as being a welcome positive for website owners. Piracy's here to stay but so is the demand for top-quality product and customer service.
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rexwantinsex
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Re: Why pay for porn?
thank you! I think me, you and Denneboom are all in the same boat on this one... we're discerning customers, looking to invest our money into a good quality product, and unfortunately are having to spend our money with other companies because there's nothing available in the UK to meet our expectations
who is at fault here? the UK industry can't complain that punters aren't buying, if they're not selling anything that people want!
the American market is a different beast, we know that Americans don't view porn as "dirty", they see it as a pastime whereas the British attitude is "filthy filthy filthy perverts!!" but the British industry isn't doing anything to counteract that view, it's inadvertently supporting it by avoiding to invest properly and make a professional, high quality, product that people could take seriously
I don't bother to look at sites like Pornhub or Redtube, I would rather pay some good money to "own" the scene in HD rather than stream a low quality version, but I seriously doubt that the people committing the "piracy" and uploading scenes to these sites are going to bother to use a Jim Slip video or something featuring "UK granny housewife getting fucked" when they would clearly get more people viewers if they use Brazzers scenes featuring Keiran Lee working with Angel Long, Brooklyn Blue, Tanya Tate or Sophie Dee....
in my humble opinion, the UK industry is to blame for not moving with the times, and now it's almost too late to catch up so many people start crying foul... tube sites aren't the real reason for the decline in sales, no-one wants DVDs or VHS any more, we have tablet computers and HDTVs, yet the British industry seems content to look more at DVD sales rather than downloads... is there going to be a massive switch to Blu-Ray in the UK market soon, or will we stick with standard definition porn when the US and Euro markets have moved on?
surely it's a lot easier to skip physical media all together and go digital only? that way, you don't even need to bother making "films" anymore... who genuinely bought a VHS/DVD and watched every scene every time, rather than picking out "the best" (usually with the model you're into, hence buying the DVD) and ignoring the rest of the scenes...? so, without the need for DVD distribution, you've cut out months of "production" lag - you can film on a Monday, edit on a Tuesday and have the scenes uploaded to your site for members by Wednesday evening....! that would cut out a lot of unnecessary parts of the chain, and means producers get their product to the punters a lot quicker than currently!
why are Harmony waiting till next Feb to release a canned video of Lexi Lowe getting stuffed?? because of DVD sales? why not simply release it on Christmas Day on their website for members to download and watch? Christmas would have delivered a good present to the paying punters, and Harmony could get new members to their site before the year is out!
I'm not seeing much of a down side to this model....
who is at fault here? the UK industry can't complain that punters aren't buying, if they're not selling anything that people want!
the American market is a different beast, we know that Americans don't view porn as "dirty", they see it as a pastime whereas the British attitude is "filthy filthy filthy perverts!!" but the British industry isn't doing anything to counteract that view, it's inadvertently supporting it by avoiding to invest properly and make a professional, high quality, product that people could take seriously
I don't bother to look at sites like Pornhub or Redtube, I would rather pay some good money to "own" the scene in HD rather than stream a low quality version, but I seriously doubt that the people committing the "piracy" and uploading scenes to these sites are going to bother to use a Jim Slip video or something featuring "UK granny housewife getting fucked" when they would clearly get more people viewers if they use Brazzers scenes featuring Keiran Lee working with Angel Long, Brooklyn Blue, Tanya Tate or Sophie Dee....
in my humble opinion, the UK industry is to blame for not moving with the times, and now it's almost too late to catch up so many people start crying foul... tube sites aren't the real reason for the decline in sales, no-one wants DVDs or VHS any more, we have tablet computers and HDTVs, yet the British industry seems content to look more at DVD sales rather than downloads... is there going to be a massive switch to Blu-Ray in the UK market soon, or will we stick with standard definition porn when the US and Euro markets have moved on?
surely it's a lot easier to skip physical media all together and go digital only? that way, you don't even need to bother making "films" anymore... who genuinely bought a VHS/DVD and watched every scene every time, rather than picking out "the best" (usually with the model you're into, hence buying the DVD) and ignoring the rest of the scenes...? so, without the need for DVD distribution, you've cut out months of "production" lag - you can film on a Monday, edit on a Tuesday and have the scenes uploaded to your site for members by Wednesday evening....! that would cut out a lot of unnecessary parts of the chain, and means producers get their product to the punters a lot quicker than currently!
why are Harmony waiting till next Feb to release a canned video of Lexi Lowe getting stuffed?? because of DVD sales? why not simply release it on Christmas Day on their website for members to download and watch? Christmas would have delivered a good present to the paying punters, and Harmony could get new members to their site before the year is out!
I'm not seeing much of a down side to this model....
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AdultFilmServices
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Re: Why pay for porn?
They'll never be a 'UK Supersite' like they have in the US for a few very simple reasons:
1. As said by someone else, porn is treated VERY differently in the US and its very much frowned upon over here.
2. The weather and locations. Shooting in Miami adds to the scene rather shooting in say Scunthorpe and the backdrops are better than a 'Holiday Inn' rented for ?30... or someones 90's styled living room.
3. The girls. In the UK the pool is small where its vast in the US.
The US industry is again vastly different than here in the UK with a lot of models/togs over here are doing for beer money to top up there benefits rather than treating it as a business.
4. Cost. Who in there right mind would plough funds into the porn market now with rampant piracy/ATVOD.
5. Technology. Anyone can be a 'producer' now with a cheap phone or camera.
In fact much of the stuff shot now on a phone is technically far superior (quality wise) than something shot by a proper producer just a few years ago.
Most punters do not want small sized non HD footage now.
Your TV, phone, tablet, laptop, PC screen is all 16:9 widescreen now so 4:3 has pretty much had its day and looks ancient - hence why its free on tube sites where the main aim of tube sites is not the porn content, its the stuff being sold next to said porn content.
I'm sure theres more too but as its Xmas, thats enough for now
1. As said by someone else, porn is treated VERY differently in the US and its very much frowned upon over here.
2. The weather and locations. Shooting in Miami adds to the scene rather shooting in say Scunthorpe and the backdrops are better than a 'Holiday Inn' rented for ?30... or someones 90's styled living room.
3. The girls. In the UK the pool is small where its vast in the US.
The US industry is again vastly different than here in the UK with a lot of models/togs over here are doing for beer money to top up there benefits rather than treating it as a business.
4. Cost. Who in there right mind would plough funds into the porn market now with rampant piracy/ATVOD.
5. Technology. Anyone can be a 'producer' now with a cheap phone or camera.
In fact much of the stuff shot now on a phone is technically far superior (quality wise) than something shot by a proper producer just a few years ago.
Most punters do not want small sized non HD footage now.
Your TV, phone, tablet, laptop, PC screen is all 16:9 widescreen now so 4:3 has pretty much had its day and looks ancient - hence why its free on tube sites where the main aim of tube sites is not the porn content, its the stuff being sold next to said porn content.
I'm sure theres more too but as its Xmas, thats enough for now
Re: Why pay for porn?
should we be worried about those individuals who choose to watch shitty picture quality footage of beautiful women getting fucked but pay a shitload of cash so they can see simon cowell in all his hd glory on tv?