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You can light a scene as well as you like but if the contents wrong your wasting your time!!....content is king and thats where the american crap falls down....it's all the bloody same!!

Talking of production values, i remember being on a set once and spending an hour adding stuff to a bedroom to make it look more like 'student' digs. I went for a fag and when I came back, the producer had tidied everything up, put the fags and mags in the bin and put all the clothes back into the cupboards - leaving of course the bloody obligatory pot plant in the corner for 'a cutaway if needed'. The reason for the tidying up was that 'noone cares about the set Lara, all they wanna see is dicks in holes'....well I think thats partially right but what about if you're shooting with a bondage theme in a dungeon. Does that mean you don't create a mood with the lighting and add extra whips, chains and dungeoney things(!) to add to the feel of your whole shoot?

You are all right in many ways of course. But it really don't matter didly squat because all porn tapes/dvd's (with notable exceptions of course) all sell about the same amount (and that ain't that many) anyway. And all of these have one thing in common - they don't sell any better because more budget has been used for the location, lighting or whatever. It isn't the film that sells the tape/dvd anyway it's the box cover or in Lindseys case the name 'Ben Dover' or whatever. What the movie is like is totally irrelevant because unlike most other businesses most punters will return and buy another hoping that they will find 'the ultimate porn movie' whatever that is.

I'm having serious deja vu here...Haven't we been over this lots of times already?!

All too often,starting to understand how George Lucas must have felt with the never ending stream of criticism levelled at his film sagas.

What was that saying Marino? coined in the
whingeing moaning thread number number 324 circa 2004/5

"Don't tell me,Show me"

Even offered to pay for said Whinger to come on set and make it at his expense

Somehow I'm betting the offer was never taken up

cheers
B....OZ

I recall his ?10.000 offer to make a single film offer was open to all so why not drop him a mail and make that film?

DG

Now don't tell me, SHOW ME.

I'm not the one pissing in the breeze about the short comings of Brit Porn.

I just accept,the way it is at present,is as good as its going to get until the UKs Laws & Societies attitudes towards sex change.

Not going to happen overnight so theres no point in pissing & moaning IMHO

As OEJ points out,its all been said before over & over & over

Marinos offer would seem to be for somebody who thinks they can do it better

As nothing but a consumer of the odd Brit Film and with no affiliations or experience in the adult industry I don't think I fall into that category

Maybe YOU should join forces with the skilled technician above and go for it

Food for thought

cheers
B....OZ

"I just accept,the way it is at present,is as good as its going to get until the UKs Laws & Societies attitudes towards sex change."

Don't accept, Deuce. Don't 'accept'. If yer don't like it, SAY SO. And it's got nothing to do with 'the law' or 'Societies attitude to sex'. However, it has a lot to do with contemporary British culture and general apathy. Your kind of apathy.


"Not going to happen overnight so there?s no point in pissing & moaning IMHO"

Yes there friggin' well is. It's not going to happen at all if people like you don't start standing up for what they believe in. If you think it's crap tell 'em precisely why it's crap and what you would like to see instead. How the fuck will they ever know if you don't TELL THEM, and KEEP TELLING THEM until your message gets through?


"As OEJ points out,its all been said before over & over & over"

And it will keep being said infinitum, till there's no call to say it any longer.


Officer Dibble

And this is exactly what I'm talking about - this myopic, narrow-minded, any-old-bollocks-will-do attitude.

For starters, the so-called 'repetitive American crap' (and Brit porn isn't repetitive??!!) tends to use pretty much the same type of shooting kit - hand-held DV cameras, but they possess something you progress-fearing dinosaurs lack in truck-loads: IMAGINATION.

Oh yeah, to repeat myself - good quality, or to use that 'evil' term (at least to some here!) 'Production Values' - DOES NOT mean things costing an arm and leg, like I've already clearly stated, it's about SKILL.

I remember encountering the very SAME negative attitude about quality 7-8 years ago when I dipped my toe into the biz, and it's very, very clear that exacty the same attitude STILL very much dominates.

No change there then.

History lession for those of you who shoot in the so-called 'Gonzo' style but nonetheless criticise the yanks - gonzo was invented, it's generally acknowledged, by U.S. Performer-turned Director John (Bendover Babes) Stagliano, which was in turn adopted by our dearly-loved Ben Dover, then everybody else over here copied ad nauseum!! -

You Directors and Cameramen don't have to be trained to the BBC level, all you need to do is to study whats going in the porn that REALLY sells and you'll see precisely what I'm talking about - if you watch technique, sometimes it rubs off...!

And no, lighting does NOT have to be elaborate - a couple of lights with reflector brollies will suffice, plus this type of light FLATTERS the appearance of the girls - please DON'T tell me the girls looking good is not important!!!

Jimslip proudly revels in making porn on an almost amateur level as do others like him - but if he'd actually throughly read my original post he'd have realised that I'm NOT talking about, and I quote jimslip, ''swimming pool, stupid blue light hidden behind the sofa, venetian blinds, stupid twat in shades and bandanna, stupid twat girl with big hair and false tits'' etc, etc!

I too hate all that super glossy Vivid and Wicked, Michael Ninn type of pretentious rubbish!!

Also, that sort of style, by the way Jimslip, is SO early nineties - is that the last time you actually checked out your U.S. counterparts?

I mean are there any porn-makers here who are even aware that there's been a huge backlash in the last few years to what is known in the (U.S.) porn biz as the L.A. Makeover (plastic tits, big hair etc) look? The natural-look has been BIG for quite some time now.

Somebody here has already stated that porn is about fantasy and I think we all can all AGREE that is pretty much the truth - so if this maxim is indeed true, then why the living hell do we have to have a cameraman whos all over the place, quite often picking up his own reflection in a mirror? If I wanted to see some twat in a porn vid holding a camera I could film myself having a wank!!

My point here, is that every time the camera wobbles all over the place, it takes you OUT of the moment and you start to notice you're in a squalid litttle bedsit in South London watching girls who look like Crack-Hoes being porked by dodgy blokes who sound like used like used car salemen.

Thats not porn, thats just shit.

Some of you porn-makers really NEED to check out whats actually CURRENT in mainstream U.S. porn - Evil Angel, RedLight, Platinum etc, all produce excellent quality product, with top-notch content, featuring fantastic girls - U.S. Brit and Euro, all shot on DV, all gonzo style, all shot with MODEST budgets.

These guys KNOW how to shoot beautiful women - the likes of Alicia Rhodes, Issy Ice, Holly Wellin, Poppy Morgan etc. have never looked better, or performed as down and dirty in Brit porn as they have their in U.S. appearances!!

I keep hearing the very same excuses made by the very same people time and time again - money, legalities, punters don't care, etc. No not true - some of this is about GREED - I would say most producers are unwilling to plow money BACK into their product to improve it, which is sad, because it would REALLY sell abroad.

This is why we can't contend with the likes of the U.S. product and the quality Euro product (AssTraffic, DDF, 21st Sextury etc,), we are WAY behind the rest of the world because our producers are greedy, small-minded individuals that lack anything like foresight.

If we stay like this, stuck in an Eighties mentality time-warp, then Brit Porn will never, ever prosper and stay the cottage-industry that some porn luddites seem content to keep it as.

Most of my points appear to have been leveled at Jimslip - it's NOT personal mate, I'm sure you're a really nice bloke, it's just that you were the most vocal in your counterpoints!

Big things could (and I suspect will) happen in Brit porn, but it's held back by those of you who fear change, it WILL happen guys, it's all just a matter of time...

Oh, yeah guys, my handle isn't 'Lata', it's right next to my posts - pagangod_uk!

Lata is as in Later as in See/Speak to you Later!!

Er, lata.

pagangod(!)

You might indeed get the same repeat business, but the real point here is if producers improve their product then it might appeal to a broader audience and therefore, in the long run, give a much BIGGER profit margin.

Seems some of you guys are content to go with the 'better the devil you know, than the devil you don't' outlook and NOT take the risk of even TRYING to take on the U.S. and Euro gonzo heavyweights.

Somebody, somewhere in the UK needs turn into a porn version of Richard Branson - we need a porn entrepreneur!!

pagangod_uk