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As it has gone to appeal I suspect the tariff will be increased.

I suspect this will never stop, this issue of celebs being nicked and charged with historical sex abuse. Every few months you will hear of another person. Many people keep coming forward with claims about this celeb or that who apparently abused them. I doubt the Establishment has many skeletons in its closet regarding this, one person here and there maybe but the chances of the system at Westminster collapsing because of a huge entrenched paedo ring I think is unlikely.

Coulson deserves an open prison in my view as what he did was much less severe than what Harris did. The phone hacking was bad, gave the Dowler family hope that Milly could be alive, and he deserves to go down. Harris has molested kids, probably the worst thing anyone can do, so he deserves to go to a Victorian dump for his spell at Her Majesty's Pleasure.

I was aware of Ronnie Kray having a fling with an Establishment figure, Lord Boothby. That is well known. I've not heard of any allegations of Ronnie or Reggie getting it on with kids. It was revealed years later than Reggie Kray was gay, like his brother, but I don't think either of them got it on with minors.

Every day Rolf Harris arrived at Court over the last week, and before that, he was always walking really slowly and was helped along by his daughter and his wife. He had a job to get up the steps too. This seems to have been done intentionally so people felt sorry for this fraile old man who has difficulty walking. He was sentenced on Wednesday, and the next time he appears at Court, Friday, he is walking quickly. This is very noticeable in the news clips. He was clearly just trying to get sympathy from people and pretended he was not well. Once sentencing was passed it didn't matter anymore so he walked briskly to Court on Friday. This says a lot about his character. He is a conman as well as someone who likes minors.

max_tranmere wrote:

> Every day Rolf Harris arrived at Court over the last week, and
> before that, he was always walking really slowly and was helped
> along by his daughter and his wife.

No, he was helping his wife not the other way round. If you look at an earlier hearing, she turned up in a wheelchair.


He had a job to get up the
> steps too. This seems to have been done intentionally so people
> felt sorry for this fraile old man who has difficulty walking.

No, he doesn't. He was helping his wife.

> He was sentenced on Wednesday, and the next time he appears at
> Court, Friday, he is walking quickly.

Yes because he didn't have to help his wife.

This is very noticeable
> in the news clips. He was clearly just trying to get sympathy
> from people and pretended he was not well. Once sentencing was
> passed it didn't matter anymore so he walked briskly to Court
> on Friday.

Yes because he didn't have to help his wife.


This says a lot about his character.

Yes it says he was helping his wife.


He is a conman
> as well as someone who likes minors.

So why didn't you name the Krays in your first thread? Hardly going to damage their reputation...

Ronnie was in bed with a blond teenager when he was arrested. If the definition of a minor is someone below the age of consent then both twins consorted with minors.

I don't agree. If you see film of him walking by himself, up to and including Wednesday, he is fraile and has difficulty getting along - at least that's what we're supposed to think.

"Ronnie was in bed with a blond teenager when he was arrested."

Male or female?

"If the definition of a minor is someone below the age of consent then both twins consorted with minors."

Who was the 'minor' that Reggie got it on with?