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"Are you happy about the data in the poll?"

I'm not happy about any religion or religious persons and non religious persons who persecute people because their faith, race, colour, sexual orientation, sex, disability, ethnicity etc. My main point is that it is not just one religious group that persecutes and discriminates. You however seem to disagree. So we'll have to agree to disagree.

"Have I implied or said you are a bad person like you did me?"

I never said you were a bad person. I said you was a Muslim hater and should be honest about it.

The reason i said you was a Muslim hater was because i saw anti Islamic threads started by you recently in isolation. Not any threads you may have previously contributed to. These previous anti Islamic threads started by you were all anti Islamic in tone and having seen the previous anti Islamic threads i could only come to one conclusion. That you didn't love Muslims and was doing your best to denigrate Muslims and their religion.

I now conclude from information from you in posts in this thread that you are anti Islamic and not a Muslim hater. Although most people would say someone who is anti Islamic is also a Muslim hater. Goes with the territory.

[quote]Not so much racist as anti Islamic or Islamophobic as some people call it.[/quote]

You said I hated Muslims. I do not. I dislike their religion (like most religions). A religion isn't a person.

It's true. Many racists use Islam as a stick to beat 'pakis' with. But does this mean there can be no criticism of Islam for fear of being labelled racist? Should we create a society where religions cannot be criticised, mocked or put under any scrutiny whatsoever? Maybe you'd prefer to live in a pre-enlightenment England. I, however, do not.


You can be Islamophobic without being racist.
You can be racist without being an Islamophobe.
You can be both a racist and and Islamophobe.
You can be neither a racist nor an Islamophobe.

Remember this.

[quote]I never said you were a bad person. I said you was a Muslim hater and should be honest about it.[/quote]

If I was a Muslim hater then I'd hate Muslims........presumably for being indoctrinated into following a religion whilst being young and them not having any say it it. That would kind of make me a bad person really, wouldn't it?

And, like I alluded to earlier, you can be a hater of Islam without hating the followers.......especially with something like religion where the followers are brought up in the faith.

If you think hating Islam is the same as hating Muslims then you must also think that hating Israeli expansionism is a form of anti-semitism. Silly, isn't it?

[quote]I'm not happy about any religion or religious persons and non religious persons who persecute people because their faith, race, colour, sexual orientation, sex, disability, ethnicity etc. My main point is that it is not just one religious group that persecutes and discriminates. You however seem to disagree. [/quote]

I do not disagree. Show me where I said only just one religious group does all the persecution. Go on. You can't.

Again, you jumped to a wrongful conclusion and see what you want to see to back up your own presumption of me.

I said, in summary, that Christians and Muslims were persecuted in around equal numbers, but the worst forms of religious persecution were in countries that were majority Muslim (20 out of 24 countries). The obvious conclusion is that Muslims were doing the most persecuting (against fellow Muslims mainly).

That ISN'T saying only Muslims persecute people based on religion.

I may be wrong. The polls may be inaccurate. But do not accuse me of saying things I did not say, and from that conclude I'm something I am not.

Well i've made my points. Everyone who reads my posts know where i stand. Not going to argue to the death. What's the point? I look forward to your next anti Islamic thread/rant Sam. God? help us.

Yes Islam isn't above criticism but one of your main arguments are that all religions are not the same. I totally disagree.

[quote]Yes Islam isn't above criticism but one of your main arguments are that all religions are not the same. I totally disagree.[/quote]

So Islam is not above criticism for you? Good. Criticise it. Go on........tell me something that is wrong with Islam.

And as for all religions being the same..........what a silly thing to say. OF COURSE they're not all the same, hence my Jainism reference in another thread. To say 'all religions are the same' is a cop out to avoid debate and uncomfortable truths. Are there similar threads thought most religions? Yes. Do all religions thrive on credulity? Yes. Are all religions bad? No. I would say Christianity, Judaism and Islam are more dangerous religions than Jainism.

Saying 'all religions are as bad as each other' is like saying all political parties are the same. It's something some people say to avoid confrontation and argument and to act somewhat philosophical and wise but in reality we know it's just not true. Otherwise, why vote?

Anyway, look forward to your critique of Islam. There isn't enough of it from the left.

Isis bombing Shia shrines and mosques.


I read somewhere that the Shia and Sunnis have blown more mosques and shrines up in Iraq, in a 3 month period than what the allies did over a decade.

If I find the article again, I'll post it.

Bit of religious oppression going on here. I'll post the link



Look at the countries where religious persecution by individuals/groups etc. is very high. They include India, Israel, Russia, Burma, Sri Lanka.

Err none of them are Muslim and in population must be close to exceeding the other countries.

I can understand why you didn't link to this table..........

"Anyway, look forward to your critique of Islam. There isn't enough of it from the left."

I'm not going to criticise Islam for the sake of it. I'll leave that that the anti Islamists.