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Re: Essex Lad

Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:14 pm
by Essex Lad
Can't be arsed to do that...

Meanwhile here she is on Telegraph podcast from 31 Jan 2014



Her 80,000+ followers would suggest she is still in the media eye ? and of course her column in The Sun on Sunday...

Re: Essex Lad

Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:22 pm
by David Johnson
My statement

"appearing frequently on
> television in a range of programmes etc.

Your reply

Er, she does, David, she does."

My request

"Well, for your homework, provide us all with a list of the TV programmes, Mensch has appeared on in the last 3 months, say. Failure to do so, would suggest that you are bullshitting."

Your response

"Can't be arsed to do that..."

Couldn't google anything to support your view then?

Sounds like a bullshitter to me. !wink!

Re: Essex Lad

Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 8:58 pm
by Essex Lad
And this woman who is according to you not in the media spotlight is writing in today's The Times as well...


Re: Essex Lad

Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 6:26 am
by David Johnson
And the TV programmes in the last 3 months? Bullshitter! !wink!

David / Essex Lad

Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:20 pm
by max_tranmere
I draw a comparison between the Rennard accusers and Tony Benn because they are cases of b-listers who have become, or about to become, a-listers. Benn has been treated as one since the 1970's, these people are about to become that. Look out for their media appearances in forthcoming months and years, and the columns they will get, possibly have already got, in national newspapers.

"Stephen Pound. Never heard of the guy." He became a regular on Sky News and would always pop up, talking about everything, and on a regular basis, like he was a political big-hitter. I remember watching all this on the many occasions it's happened and thinking he was/is being groomed to be the new Tony Benn.

"Louise Mensch. Haven't heard a squeak out of her for months." Really? She's on TV regularly in live link-ups, has at least two newspaper columns, and is consulted on many things - under the impression the public are be interested in what this one-time backbencher has to say.

"Tony Benn. Haven't heard much about him for months and months. Tony Benn has appeared on television quite a bit in the past mainly to give a perspective on politics from the point of view of someone who has an extraordinarily lengthy political career in the Labour party from cabinet minister to MP. In the same way Lamont and Lawson get interviewed about their time as cabinet ministers in Thatcher's government and the media want their perspective on Cameron. It is entirely appropriate that they appear on TV for those reasons."

Extremely long political career? Really? He was a minister briefly in the 1970s, and since then was just an MP. He lost his seat in, I think it was Bristol, following boundary changes, so they arranged for him to continue in the House of Commons by putting him forward for a safe seat elsewhere. He thus continued to be an MP. Why he's been on TV every other week for the last 35 years is beyond me. As I said previously, if all it takes for someone to have that level of ubiquity is to once be a Minister then all ex-ministers would be doing it. You mention Lamont and Lawson, you hear from them once every year or two, and on a busy year about twice. The same with Heseltine. Benn was never away from our screens throughout the 80's, 90's, 00's and since. It has quietened down a bit lately because he is getting frail.

"It is not a fact, Max [the forthcoming media career of the Rennard accusers, and them being consulted all the time as political voices on TV shows, etc]. It is something that is your guess about the future." Time will tell but I think my predications will be proven correct.

"In some cases, this story is over 10 years old so you could hardly argue that the women concerned have made a great effort to get themselves on the media or indeed, for the media to go out of their way to get them on tele." If offered columns and if asked to appear on TV shows like the Daily Politics, This Week, news programmes, etc, and to give their views as "Liberal Democrat spokespeople" I'm sure they will, and like I said I suspect that will happen.

Here are pages and pages of YouTube clips, featuring Stephen Pound and Louise Mensch, where they talk about just about everything - in their very "look
at me, I'm an authority on this, and bearing in mind I'm a political big-hitter you should listen to what I've got to say" mode. Junior people operating as if
they are senior, high-achieving people:




Dennis Skinner was mentioned in the above exchanges between David and Essex Lad. He's another one! Achieved very little but extremely ubiquitous. He gave his salary to the striking miners in the 1980's I recall, he also makes a jovial remark every year during the State Opening of Parliament, but apart from that he's a nobody. Yet everyone knows who he is. I must admit though he isn't in the media anywhere near as much as Tony Benn has been in the last 35 years, or others I've mentioned. Tony Benn comes from a political dynasty and I remember hearing once that he had tea with former Prime Ministers and senior ministers as a kid. He was being groomed for a big political career. Sadly for him it largely failed, he never became Labour Leader, never became Prime Minister subsequently - which he would have wanted - either. His ego is so big he demanded to be viewed as a political big-hitter from then on, and for some reason editors and sub-editors on TV political shows played ball.


Re: David / Essex Lad

Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 3:30 pm
by Essex Lad
Benn didn't lose his seat in a boundary change, he lost it at the General Election and then was found a safe seat in Chesterfield, which he held until his retirement to "spend more time on politics".

As Loyd Grossman used to say, "David, it's over to you."

Max

Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 3:36 pm
by David Johnson
"I draw a comparison between the Rennard accusers and Tony Benn because they are cases of b-listers who have become, "

They have nothing whatsoever in common in terms of experience, expertise, roles played in government and amount of time on tele. You may as well compare Tony Benn and Angeline Jolie, another of your obsessions.

"Stephen Pound. Never heard of the guy." He became a regular on Sky News and would always pop up,"

Never watched Sky News except when I have been in a hotel. Still haven't heard of him. You have to enjoy things being repeated every 10 minutes to be a Sky News viewer.

"Extremely long political career? Really? He was a minister briefly in the 1970s, and since then was just an MP."

Wrong. He was in government from 64-70 and 74-79. Stood in various elections for key roles in the Labour party and was an MP for over 40 years. If that isn't a long political career, I don't know what is.

I will leave you to your fantasy that women who would not even show their faces in some cases about their Rennard complaints will be turned into publicity seekers.

Meanwhile there is always your Angeline Jolie obsession to follow